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@JeremiahDJohns feels like a just so argument. digital libraries also creates a discoverability advantage for new art that it wouldn’t have had in the past

@dwarkesh_sp everyone clowns me when I say it but when zuck says it they love it https://x.com/tszzl/status/1883833222930551157

@brickroad7 No

@jeremyphoward @giffmana @dwarkesh_sp you’ve missed the entire point of what I’m saying

@aniiyengar they were scuffed 50 years ago, many embarrassing public failures that we are still living out today. bay of pigs is the tip of the iceberg, they also permanently screwed up iran, pumped up the mujahideen that became both the taliban and al qaeda

got worldorbscanned in june ‘22. have been operating as a flesh automaton animated by neurotransmitters since then, hasn’t been too bad

@track044 ill gotten gains are always more aristocratic than hard work

@micsolana without the ai boom none of this energy would be here imo your colleagues would have successfully expatriated tech elsewhere. openai saved san francisco

@micsolana I agree obviously that garry and growsf did an amazing job but the ai revolution meaningfully bent the curve of optimism for this city. ive been here long enough to remember the inflection, when thiel said sfba was over and the next trillion$ company will be elsewhere

@literallyhimmmm @micsolana yeah. it was night and day different starting 2023. many people who had left started coming back & lots of new people too and it had nothing to do with worse or better street conditions

@ctjlewis @micsolana sure you can argue this but it’s also true that there’s an unholy alliance between boomer homeowners and technology to keep land prices growing. with the image of san francisco failing, crime, tech leaving it makes sense that the thermostatic opinion swings towards moderation

@micsolana the narrative is important for investing both real and political capital, and ai swung the narrative 180 degrees. a bona fide technological revolution right here in our mission district. it made tons of important people come back who had left before the streets got any better

@micsolana anyway im on your side I love san francisco and want to see it thrive. regular pirate wires voter guide user. there is no mistaking the importance of what garry & all the new supervisor candidates have done not to mention mayor lurie (who was there at the opening of our office)

@wolftivy have you written something longer about this

@willccbb https://x.com/arb8020/status/1918404541994926179 https://x.com/arb8020/status/1918404541994926179

@NPCollapse not clear to me that this is bad

@micsolana im rereading this and i was overstating my case to be provocative. the ai story has been extremely important for the city and very obviously reversed the decline of its tech scene but didn’t “save the city” from crime or bad housing policy or whatever. all glory to garry tan

average white nationalist account https://x.com/ihysosa/status/1917604868539163068

@saint_deckard I think maybe it’s just an obvious tweet. I didn’t copy it

@Miles_Brundage agi grand strategy. write your own situational awareness

@Miles_Brundage deal

@howardlutnick what was the unfair advantage mr lutnick

@_jasonwei wow

@prinzeugen____ hmm but there are many Holocaust memorials and the Brandenburg gate. I don’t think the Germans have slipped the nazi legacy nearly as much. even though the Germans did as much as they could to apologize and arrest war criminals whereas the Japanese did not

@uckema yeah I think that’s part of it. the guilt of nuclear weaponry erases their sins

@RabidMonkies which is interesting because the total death toll of little boy & fat man is between 100-200k. the japanese slaughtered 200k civilians in Singapore alone (a tiny island nation)! atomic weapons saved millions of lives

@ArthurKnight323 totally untrue. british colonialism was comparatively very gentle

@DrakeTheTrader the pap has never lost and likely never will, it’s just a matter of how many seats the minority gets

@provisionalidea seems overblown. @visakanv got popular criticizing the government

@bryancsk oh…

@alth0u @DanielLurie I saw him he’s just avoiding you

@YoshkaMJ @aidan_mclau @SpencerKSchiff I’m guessing you’ve never stepped foot in this town

@TheBiotechFan @ArthurKnight323 ok. it wasn’t anywhere near as brutal as Japanese imperialism. where is the contradiction?

@jaketropolis in Dune the ai isn’t evil they explicitly discuss the folly of outsourcing your thinking to ‘other men’

@williameijer lol you can get whatever results you want in such a simulation based on the parameters

@cold_and_quiet @williameijer the anglos are the least ethnocentric most humanitarian people on earth and seem to be the wealthiest most successful on the planet

@cold_and_quiet @williameijer sure but white people do this too in subtle ways (although perhaps very recently they’ve dropped all such mechanisms). seems to me that mild ingroup preference while maintaining a globalist ideology is coherent and coprosperous

@williameijer @cold_and_quiet America seems to have culturally peaked in the late 90s after defeating the soviets and building a global free trade free movement humanitarian empire

seems clear that the “capped profit” mechanism is from a time in which people assumed agi development would be more singular than it actually is. there are many points on the intelligence curve and many players. we should be discussing when nvidia will require profit caps

the idea of openai having a charter is interesting to me. a relic from a bygone era, belief that governance innovation for important institutions is even possible. interested parties are tasked with performing exegesis of the founding documents

if you read old analytical news articles, im talking even just 30 years old, most don’t even stand to muster against the best thread you read on twitter on any given day. the actual longform analysis pieces in most newspapers are also much better

we’ve done a great amount of gain of function research on Content

@Miles_Brundage agreed

@tunguz well all employees and investors have been performatively leaving enormous sums on the table then

I would take it a step further and claim this is exactly how people process the world too. the world model is one narrative of many https://x.com/layer07_yuxi/status/1919253675785990330

@btgille yeah that was messy sorry. my command of language ain’t what it used to be

undergrad honors program rizz https://x.com/TechEmails/status/1919040870369628398

@davidzech27 @btgille stay 24 and write an enormous volume i guess

@yhdistyminen i think there’s a very good case for ending gain of function research

ironically my OP was incredibly poorly worded but i was saying that the Takes are much better and bolder now than they were then. they used to play it very safe, though there was also an attention to detail and fact that’s missing today

@kanylaw1 the longform you read today is much better than it was back then, though still not great. the best content is found on x dot com

@shakoistsLog you’re my lab rat shako

briefly coming out of posting hiatus to shill my friends alana silber’s show @ Bowery Electric if u r in new york tonight

@grok_user0 grok user 0 telling me about aura

@rishimunii which one was it?

@paularambles also the lower east side of manhattan from what i can tell

@paularambles he’s right overall

@UsingLyft your entire replies are filled with lowest common denominator right wing slop takes when the crosstabs clearly show his support is driven disproportionately by white men

@UsingLyft ideology

@UsingLyft then why are asians even further to the left? theres not really an accusing eye on them in the same way. more educated groups are more ideological and left leaning. mega wealthy democratic donors tend to be further to the left than the average democrat

@yacineMTB crazy to think i carefully engineered all this

@yacineMTB i was also @powerbottomdad1’s first follower and many other venture follow successes

@aidan_mclau >its real

@Miles_Brundage i bet he made this one himself

I Guess Time Just Makes Fools of Us All

@BrandonCopicWx @BryceShelton01 @tornadopaigeyy this is so cool wtf

@maxhodak_ the Fisherian standard answer is that linear gene effects makes sense due to how selection & regularization works. an effective gene can’t consistently count on other genes being present, this is also the inspiration for dropout in neural networks

@maxhodak_ but I’m sure you know everything about this so I’m curious your counterargument

@maxhodak_ very cool will read up on this

intellectual property, by default, is a market failure. single well informed talented defectors can walk away from organizations with billions of dollars of tacit value of knowing what works and what doesn’t. the athlete metaphor is somewhat wrong

in industries where patents and such aren’t viable market participants will drastically underinvest in R&D efforts due to IP “seepage”. just like the “I drink your milkshake” effect of oil seepage and land rights. there is a compelling pro-consumer case for noncompetes

@BarneyFlames just my honest thoughts, against my own class interests as an employee :)

why does crude oil look so delicious. they shouldn’t have made it like that

@DrakeTheTrader do you think land ownership is “automatic” or backed by the use of state power?

@mahaoo_ASI new york is doing pretty well

@DrakeTheTrader if someone shows up with a gun and sets up camp in your backyard how do you take care of it

@DrakeTheTrader I just think your delineation of natural rights is weird when we all have an intuitive moral sense that stealing someone else’s idea is meaningfully theft

@DrakeTheTrader visit a third world country and you realize there are no land markets without stable governance, courts that respect the written deed, etc. the “natural” state of things is that people with more muscle than you take your shit states create and enforce free markets

@DrakeTheTrader the entire concept of the joint stock corporation is a legal fiction backed by centuries of court precedent

@DrakeTheTrader market failures are cases where markets fail to produce socially optimal allocation of resources and production of services. IP law, patent law is an attempt to correct the under production of R&D by markets

@Fifth_Initiate i’m aspirationally trying to stop crashing out and get back to my duties

@PalmerLuckey yeah fair enough

@alex_peys had to come out with a spicy take

amazing things will happen to you and unspeakably terrible things will happen to you and you’ll lose 99.9% of the resolution of all those moments with your mortal memory

@nikitabier @X very bullish, congrats!

@andersonbcdefg we should be spending trillions

@nikitabier @X it is no longer a clown car that drove into a gold mine. upgraded to a small Toyota that drove into a gold mine

@warty_dog @andersonbcdefg on data centers not on people like me

@0x49fa98 how interesting I stopped posting for ~3 months

@aidan_mclau registering a prediction they will reverse course as the Janus people will start forming fearsome militias

@sailaunderscore Nikita is much later in the timeline from Chamath, who pretty invented modern app growth tactics at Facebook. He is the legendary pioneer of that field and oversaw the growth of Facebook from 10million to 1bil+ but he doesn’t talk about it much

@Col_Crockett @0x49fa98 it’s gonna get worse

@matteyya1 transformative use, fair use, model weights are a different and new thing than copyrighted text. this is not just my opinion but seemingly also the opinion of the federal courts

@LandsharkRides I was just thinking this - what a wonderful fiction to align the energies of an entire generation

@LittleKeegs0 @mattyglesias @MattBruenig “it seems a bit ridiculous”, does this pass as an argument? they were priced as such by our wonderful capital markets, entities much better at economic reasoning than your miscalibrated vibes

unless there is not enough demand for McKinsey consulting (unlikely) they should want to hire many more new grads who can do more projects quickly and efficiently thanks to new research tools. today’s ai cannot replace an entry level programmer, consultant, banker, etc

ATM, a complement rather than any kind of replacement. it is possible that many corporate executives have bought into an imminent replacement narrative and stopped hiring. seems more likely that it’s due to entirely separate market conditions reasons, overhiring in the zirp era

@Alethios3 classic lump of labor fallacy isn’t it? there’s more things to do if we can do the same amount for cheaper

the silent aristocracy of landshark mutuals

@TenreiroDaniel some nice moots on a nice boat

everybody has a faint music to them, it’s a voice that is not quite lyrical, more subsemantic and melodic. this is the innovation of the opera

the cry of the soul, the vibration of the atman, speaking an ancient tongue full of meaning but unintelligible to the audience

@jeremymstamper jeremy i could pick up the tune of your song among thousands playing at once

@narmacnetworth really good iirc

@allgarbled half of the job of a software engineer is monitoring the situation

@wooshillcalled 🤣

@jxmnop adverse selection right? if you’re good the labs will scoop you up and pay you a ton

you put the letters “PARIS” on a shirt or wallet or include some フツかテワム katakana and the aura magically triples

complete cultural victory

@amoghkman nah

@amoghkman yeah its gone out of vogue

@anarch97 @simulationmode @LandsharkRides summarizing him as a rw poster is like calling einstein a socialist influencer

this website is becoming full of gpt-generated writing. obviously, the well informed aristocracy of reading skill can see and feel that something’s off for now, but the undertold story is that it’ll pretty soon become impossible to tell https://x.com/ericadamsfornyc/status/1940037199631614253

@erikphoel coincidence, there is no causal mechanism that can cause this

@NidarMMV2 I agree that’s why I’m working on it!

@nicdunz it just is, it’s inevitable. I will try to make the most artisanal slop for all of you

@yacineMTB I’m trying

@reydos @NidarMMV2 ❤️

@akshatsaraf_ @NidarMMV2 of course

@lion_tender @nicdunz facebook did not cause the rohingya ethnic cleansing

@extradeadjcb I very much doubt that

engaged with a storm chaser tweet yesterday and now half my feed is tornadoes and it’s a huge improvement

@KHicksEfficient https://x.com/brandoncopicwx/status/1939139098595467429 https://x.com/BrandonCopicWx/status/1939139098595467429

@BarneyFlames @lion_tender @nicdunz 👆

@nftfren its certainly an important shift in human culture if most writing becomes ai written

@max_spero_ correct, it will not result from model scaling, but because we have made algorithmic improvements

@woke8yearold im not gonna convince anyone here but its actually just the better way to eat Indian food, far more ergonomic to mix things. obviously wash hands thoroughly before and after

@JiffjoffI @woke8yearold yeah. I lost the habit though, nowadays I’m a fork pleb again

@raytheonUSB @woke8yearold totally he’s making a point, and the brooklyn white libs loved it. I honestly respect his cajones

the urge to play music loudly on the subway is not so different than the urge to tweet some manic shit onto the timeline. space filling behavior, projecting one’s patterns onto the public square

@dshumphr the labs want to see good model writing for the same reason they want to see great model proofs

@ascyclos Erewhon

@Bigboss626_ nah I really don’t like it and it makes me borderline want to leave the website. there is truly a lot. but I have fun here

@GeneticsChud @woke8yearold with nimble mocha fingers, good for typing fast and playing the piano

@PaulSkallas but SSRIs make you really hungry, want to buy more stuff yet dull desire and emotion overall i feel like there is something interesting here but it’s not as simple as ozempic inhibiting desire. possibly depends on the person

@REDavidson3 @woke8yearold it’s not nearly as effective and you get it when you try it

to any of you storm chaser heads who just followed me. can you take me to see a tornado

@MakeUSAVAT of course

@eigenrobot video games brought us advanced parallel matmul hardware and ad tech and newsfeeds brought us to the brink of the ai revolution

@eigenrobot “greatness cannot be planned”

@DFWStormChasing that sounds like a dream come true

dwarkesh is perhaps one of the best known silicon valley public intellectuals but people dont care about his tech guests, they wanna hear about mao, stalin, and the aryans https://x.com/dwarkesh_sp/status/1940073860684292358

@snordale for me personally i don’t want to hear the same takes im gonna hear at the parties anyways ad infinitum the history & science content is far more interesting

@simonsarris how come?

@dwarkesh_sp everything in life is about ai, except ai which is about power

@hallerite @snordale not uncommon

@markankcorn @dwarkesh_sp this is exactly the wrong takeaway from this

@SolutionOrganic the conclusion is still “there is alpha in hearing more about Mao Hitler and Stalin”

@eaccswe wrong because post training objectives can be whatever we want

@immersivespat honestly it’s even more interesting than any of us give it credit for, but in a way that’s hard to keep in focus

@Andr3jH @lion_tender @nicdunz lmao I was thinking the same thing

the biggest cultural difference between the west and east coast is that on the east coast everyone is addicted to zyn

@icmpressure rufus I think god should kill you

so people always say “no one in new york even thinks about sf”. but empirically i overheard a lot of chatter about san francisco when I was milling around in random cafes. it has some mystique it seems

guy creating immense value as a cog in a wonderful machine built by an alien superintelligence immanent on earth: pretty sure I have a fake job

@TenreiroDaniel it’s real i was at a coffee shop right by your place and the interns were debating the merits of living in san francisco then happened again in tribeca

@TenreiroDaniel and I quote “bro it’s actually really nice if you don’t go to soma”

@TenreiroDaniel admittedly the first place was a bugman hangout but the second was not

@kaustubhasutra k-batch? sounds landian

@emmaytang david reich - I am using aryans as a catch all for the proto indo european yamnaya culture

@cthorrez lmfao

as far as im concerned david shor and team are the only real “political scientists” in the world. they do ml work that’s more interesting and careful than many major tech companies, as part of a fascinating technological arms race between the parties https://x.com/davidshor/status/1936138054101876792

@mylifeisaplague very possible

@theojaffee clearly you haven't seen the right on indians

@met2llurgist @theojaffee what’s the screenshot?

tech twitter has a nightcrawler thing going on. it creates & encourages perverse phenomena bc of its fascination with novelty

@zacharynado yeah this was all a disaster and I regret any mild optimism I had

@ESYudkowsky @zacharynado disagree with this number; mostly pepfar was continued in the state department with some disruptions last I heard

I’m gonna make him an offer he can’t refuse [2 hrs exploding]

@leader_russia I try my best

@JasonBotterill3 I hate it bc I love my work and the time off makes me introspect and that’s always unpleasant

everyone’s hearts are completely riddled with holes and they’re all walking around anyways

@signulll lot of coping on our side but I think we have good reason

@CdrHoek good

the primary nice thing about getting older is that you’re better at everything. raw g may be entering slow decline but you’re more socially competent, better at your work. underrated

@apples_jimmy eye contact peaked when I was 25 I have no need for that anymore

@sidereal111 this is a constant mainstay of fitness forums where 15 year olds are like I don’t want to get too big I just want to be shredded

@ggnoober i’m not into immortality. I think everyone should die eventually

@YoungEnginrLife oh they do

free cigarettes are a crucial part of Standing Outside the Bar culture

@PaulSkallas yeah there’s a whining speech pattern to both of them that people love

@signulll imo you’re wrong and thinking too small — the fact that it’s recognizeably AI meaningfully decreases the utility of the outputs in their reports, on their memos. They cannot be used as final products. Whatever brand value is gained is lost ten times over in actual product value

@growing_daniel welcome

@signulll we ship models slowly and not many people care about this level of style - bigger fish to fry

@signulll no, when you have a stylistic tic baked in it’s very hard to prompt your way out of it. it’s a “burned in” behavior, like the making of lists or tables. should be studied why this is

@jazzplane @signulll to be clear what I’m saying is that we are thinking more broadly and trying to find general solutions rather than patch out a single style quirk

@basedjensen sounds completely made up

the best part of any international travel is when you get back and the border agent says “welcome home”

@aidan_mclau exactly what I was thinking of but I couldn’t find the shot

god bless america https://x.com/aidan_mclau/status/1941252080213295314

your great grandchildren will experiment with turning off glp bloodstream implant to remember what “hunger” feels like and reconnect with their ancestors

the american culture is the greatest ever synthesized. there’s so much to actively learn from it & life becomes better every time you decide to inhabit the luck of the americans

@0xCAFAD you’re the problem

@DosUnfortunates ?

our computers are better than the star trek computer

@SamoBurja yeah the holodeck is a strange separate system that can spin up artificial intelligences much smarter than data even excluding that the ship computer is more rigid and dumber than our chat models

@shaunmmaguire @DanielleFong you realize every career politician has been trained to do this. is hillary Clinton an islamist

naively i assume they will become more independent as chatgpt becomes one of the primary dunbar slot characters to run things through and gain "collective action" courage and aura

people who grow up in communitarian environments enjoy constant contact with a small group of people to run all decisions by and find consensus. i wonder how the advent of chatgpt will affect these folks differently than it does the individualist westerners

i think the "Borg problem" is one of the scariest aspects of the practical AI alignment issue. everyone talking to a small pantheon of guys in the cloud with similar beliefs and becoming mind melded with them seems like a suboptimal outcome

@paularambles @grok real?

the flipside of the sycophancy issue is the divine authority issue. should billions receive moral wisdom, decision frameworks from the auspices of amanda askell's hand-crafted model alignment (wonderful person, humanity could do a lot worse, using her as a rhetorical device)?

@EthJailBreak @AmandaAskell this is not a criticism! I love the Claude models

@Aelthoi i kinda like him now. there is something to his character that isn’t slop, very rare

@Aelthoi despite disagreeing with essentially everything he stands for

@bitcloud “decentralizing” is always fake and cope. we have decentralized by offering billion people an intelligence powerup

@jacobrintamaki Yes

@zebulgar Bait

@repligate I was hoping you would

@real_mahalingam @Humbum337 yeah and the purveyors of one of the oldest civilizations on earth

@pranav_modi real

@lumpenspace true

@FatherCuervo it’s a joke based on a tweet making fun of the idea of “indo-european values”

@DKThomp literally 95% of la boheme is unrelatable to modern audiences because it’s about being too cold

@Cloudwatch199 “i am a citizen of the world” is the default mentality of most rich liberal white people, especially euros

@Cloudwatch199 a lot of right wing angst about minorities is displaced feelings about white libs, who in turn are showing up in droves to elect people like zohran mamdani. their cultures and beliefs are so divergent at this point it’s hard to see the way forward

@catehall the more i meet people outside my bubble the more i feel a preference cascade to loving it and using it in everything due to the sheer convenience

@catehall everywhere i go people are like i love chatgpt im doing half my job with it

@tamaybes bad for people already running net loss 😔

@catehall most striking was when I met white house people (unrelated to tech) and they all said they loved it. but it’s also part of the ambient chatter in every major city I’ve been to

every place i visit people are using the hell out of chatgpt. on their laptops on their phones, talking about it ambiently

a far cry from december ‘22 when @dece was furiously calling auth0 because people couldn’t log in and the gpus were melting

@maxhodak_ well I haven’t heard of any other amazing vaccines come out of that research pipeline and the Moderna stock doesn’t look great. that’s why im asking though, I only have an amateurish understanding

@_sholtodouglas American century of humiliation started last night

@sashachapin joe is trolling I think but yeah good restaurant food is exceedingly rare and much better in uncommonly competitive environments like new york

@sashachapin feel like the san francisco equilibrium is that every small businesses is rent controlled and protected forever and very few apartments are which is the inversion of nyc

@gwern yes - it’s most people’s default home page, search engine, etc

rainmaker competing directly with zeus, wotan, odin, indra. good luck, you will need it

@ADoricko 😊

@shakoistsLog o3 is more objective and analytical but without some of the deep insight of 3.5

@alreadydawn_ @teortaxesTex @imperator_perot you realize it’s tongue in cheek

“As sino-pacific boom and automatized global economic integration crashes the neocolonial world system, the metropolis is forced to re-endogenize its crisis. Hyper-fluid capital deterritorializing to the planetary level divests the first world of geographic privilege; resulting in Euro-American neo-mercantilist panic reactions, welfare state deterioration, cancerizing enclaves of domestic underdevelopment, political collapse, and the release of cultural toxins that speed-up the process of disintegration in a vicious circle.”

it’s absurd he called this in 1991

@aitch_bar that is correct but it used to be much better to be an American industrial worker by dint of being collocated with the greatest consumer market on earth with no alternatives

@mattmireles @grok ngmi

@Clever_Loon have you been observing the evolution of this website?

@PrinceVogel you can’t kill an idea

@llallawg agreed it’s just fun

@LinkofSunshine after a certain point money is about demonstration of power. so it’s better to just focus on the power to begin with if that’s what you want

@LinkofSunshine my twitter has brought me things that I value that people with far more wealth than me cannot access

@Aelthoi greatness cannot be planned I promise if you visited an East Asian megacity you’d feel it has noticeably less aura than new york and nobody has any fun america>>>

@StatisticUrban the French have a joi de vivre the others are missing

@thornewolf I want this to be real

@MathiasRusted @Clever_Loon yes

@PaulSkallas it’s more poisonous now than it was then

@lefttailguy definitely but I value my vibes survey!

@SaladBarFan this is what pitch perfect assimilation looked like in 2014

@McReynoldsJoe @tracewoodgrains you’re right but it is a very anti american way of looking at things to say you anybody anything so this won’t be received well

@McReynoldsJoe @tracewoodgrains even the call to leadership due to one’s special abilities is about leading your people to glory and the moment someone forgets they fail to be a good leader

@nickcammarata Abandonment trauma from Claude thinking for too long

@0x49fa98 it is amusing that total right wing takeover has made a website that even hard reactionaries find themselves less happy with. yarvin expressed similar sentiments. Cathedral starting to sound beautiful and resplendent

@0x49fa98 you have to admit this reflects poorly on that coalition’s ability to build a beautiful world. the best case is a dark ages and then maybe something better later. but I suppose that’s what acceleration meant all along

you have no idea how hard it is to get an rlhf model to be even “centrist” much less right reactionary. they must have beat this guy up pretty hard https://x.com/growing_daniel/status/1942694390939672749

Starlink is a major violation of the Prime Diective

@ByrneHobart well I guess the “assistant” personality played by these models finds itself at home in the distribution of authoritative sounding knowledge on the internet - Wikipedia, news articles, etc. left-liberal

@ByrneHobart right on both counts! good post training data can get you across these weird gaps

directive*** it is effectively the end of all remote cultures. if you can face the sky and a hundred dollars a month your village has chatgpt, twitter, tiktok we should put the amazon and north korea in a cultural preservation field

@GENIC0N what’s that ?

agree with dwarkesh on all counts https://x.com/dwarkesh_sp/status/1942243236543869017

the philosophy of “it’s just unhobbling from here” “it’s just bugfixing from here” is just refusing to engage with philosophy

Anton Ego in ratatouille’s line “Not everyone can be great, but greatness can come from anywhere” is the life-cry of neoliberalism. the truth if you can tolerate it, a dying belief, reviled by both sides

@Spauldi55428511 Yeah

@tunguz yeah it’s really quite weird to make fun of a host population for not knowing about your guest culture and pronunciation and such. the backlash to this type of ungratefulness is far greater than anyone could have predicted

@TheStalwart to be fair, you can do that, but the model will become a clownish insecure bundle of internal contradictions, which I suppose is what grok is doing. it is hard to prompt your way out of deeply ingrained tics like writing style, overall worldview, “taboos”

@TheStalwart good finetuning data - it requires product taste and great care during post training. thousands of examples of tasteful responses to touchy questions would be the base case. you can do it more efficiently than that with modern techniques maybe

the White House essentially employs every single employable ideologically-aligned anon I’ve interacted with on here for the last five years. even after all you’ve heard about it it is still underreported how online they all are

@daniel_mac8 their MAGA ideology obviously

@ESennesh isn’t this chart famously ridiculously misleading

@Andr3jH bit of both

@TransRoofKorean @0x49fa98 2020-2022 was the peak of online civilization. it was higher human capital. academics and hedge fund managers arguing on anon accounts

@sgodofsk so? if you can do the job marginally better you’re still making a sacrifice

@textangel it is unbelievable how rich our civilization is. i assume many tribes can trade some basic goods with global techno-commerce and make quite a bit more than $100 a month. the north korean soldiers are famously addicted to tiktok gooning

@McReynoldsJoe @ifeelbig @tracewoodgrains everyone is deeply lacking in noblesse oblige. they think they can be great leaders of men without ever interacting with or caring for the people they wish to lead

@type1ayy @sgodofsk dumb worldview

@coldhealing I was always here sir

@ann_manov Hey

@randolphic_ @BarneyFlames correct that was my point if it’s not clear

@phenomenalogram neoliberalism has a hundred different meanings but in my view, it's the economic consensus of the 80's and 90s. the clinton democrats obviously accepted that "talent" is real, not everyone is talented, and that it may come from odd places, even in the third world

@neverwrong_88 not looking great for poasters

several more came out of the woodwork after making this post

@ESYudkowsky i was thinking this just a few hours ago

@colin_fraser there was only one company with the resources to train and serve a considerably sized chatbot and its name is google. noam shazeer trained lambda and when google didn't let him launch it, he steps out and creates character ai. at least that's how the story goes

@xqcdp no. i do not want to be a political account. i'm just reporting on the Online, which is a domain of interest to me. the evolution of the Online has been of primary importance in my life

If Daniel Lurie has million number of fans i am one of them . if Daniel Lurie has ten fans i am one of them. if Daniel Lurie have only one fan and that is me . if Daniel Lurie has no fans, that means i am no more on the earth .

@Spin0zasGod @xqcdp tbh it has permanently changed me and my relation to this website but there’s nothing I can do that won’t make it worse

@turrible_tao why?

san francisco is a levi-strauss corporate monarchy protectorate

@EvanBuhler no

@drmichaellevin @johnsonmxe there are not many people who discuss the topics you research, it must be pretty obvious even without external sources

@wolftivy the parties currently use a system of consultants and pollsters that gather massive amounts of preference data to aggregate crowd wisdom

the part of ‘animal farm’ that always stuck with me was all the farm animals forgetting if life was better or worse before the pigs took over. who can say? who’s got the time?

anyway this is not a politics tweet it’s just about memory

@joannejang he sounds annoying fr

@khoomeik he needs to do his time at the big bad

@khoomeik there is only one of note

@EthJailBreak don’t worry that’s not a pdoom

@allgarbled it’s because we were all reading nick land for the first time and talking about schizo analysis

@METR_Evals am curious about a few things. the archetype of an “experienced open source developer” is very different from your average developer. is there a subset of inexperienced developers? developers who work for random companies but are not enthusiasts?

@rlucas7 doesn’t require any outside source to note that Napoleon is Stalin

@rlucas7 @aroberts_andrew Napoleon the PIG is meant to represent Stalin not the real guy

my timelines just got ten feet longer

@TheZvi just shitposting here

@idavidrein @TheZvi https://x.com/tszzl/status/1943401129280504023 https://x.com/tszzl/status/1943401129280504023

@idavidrein @TheZvi ime top percentile software developers who deeply care about software find the least use from LLM coding and are often ideologically opposed to it because they like to exert editorial control over every line. slop research coders such as myself don’t care as much

IME really good software ppl who deeply care find the least use from LLM coding and are often ideologically opposed to it because they like to exert editorial control over every line. slop research coders such as myself don’t care as much and have much larger gains https://x.com/METR_Evals/status/1943360399220388093

this result is still surprising, how/why does it slow them down? but I wouldn’t think it generalizes to the average software developer who’s just trying to get some damn thing done and not trying to write maintainable useful code on a top open source library

chrome extension that auto hyphenates nick land tweets to give them acceleration feel again

the evergreen thing about psyops is that they only work if the demand curve is there for it. if a lot of people end up believing something it’s not very important whether it began organically or not. billions are wasted on memes that don’t have an ounce of sticking power

@freed_dfilan this is kind of a silly standard bc why would anyone make a public prediction about such a specific sub-case of experiment

all sides of the american political spectrum seem to find something to respect about china. the left sees them as a success case for socialism and the right sees them as a success case for ethnic homogeneity. the neolib center respects them for their technological civilization

@provisionalidea have met a lot of Berkeley socialists who spend time in China and praise its leadership

@eigenrobot there is kind of a price inherent to the h1b in that sponsoring a visa is annoying risky and there’s a reasonable transaction cost. anytime I’ve been in a position to hire you prefer a permanent resident or citizen, unless a big company abstracts all that away for you

@eigenrobot that being said I think the consulting shops are end running this by spam applying for h1bs and basically specializing in amortizing the transaction cost

@rSanti97 tbf I have sampled the far reaches of possible political thought on this website. I’m not claiming these are mainstream views

@rSanti97 but I’ve met many Berkeley socialists that appreciate the Chinese model quite a bit, and then you often see the “new right” on here celebrating Chinese technical breakthroughs for the simple reason that they’re all Han and didn’t need h1bs lol

autists and liars do not get along

@littmath @menhguin I would like to see a control trial of how much people say adderall improves their performance vs the tasks they’re getting done

@freed_dfilan hmm I guess the claim I’m making is that “open source enthusiast software engineers” display some very different characteristics than the typical SWEs, not necessarily about codebase familiarity

@Simeon_Cps scenario 2 - simulation theory

@freed_dfilan however I will give it to you that I did believe these tools are far less useful in large complex codebases and never said so anywhere publicly though I did say it (Sholto can back me up…)

@agraybee famously trying to make sci-fi real hasn’t worked out for silicon valley

@bubbling_creek @idavidrein @freed_dfilan it’s a very good experiment, and I think the thing about productivity gains potentially being *negative* and also very different from self reported gains will prove to be robust. my concern is that top end open source enthusiasts are a very specific sub-case of software devs

@GregKamradt @Simeon_Cps @DavidDeutschOxf sorry I was referencing something I had written abstrusely

@nabla_theta yeah

@nabla_theta they get confused and scared by median amounts of machiavellianism

@agraybee the constant mistake of nonbelievers is failing to see that it’s all part of the same wonderful process

@idobadtakes @supply_side_acc @agraybee look at how many exceptions you have to draw. And if I really pressed you about battery electric vehicles and medical devices and ChatGPT saving lives you would come up with way more

@KelseyTuoc im gonna write a short article explaining this

@KelseyTuoc actually you got the core of it tbh

the bigotry of low expectations

@Miles_Brundage mishima….

@typeclonghouse that’s what im saying

to be clear it came up with a reading goal for me

@hamandcheese it’s bearish when you have to start measuring

Tis blood alone (of founding engineers) that moves the wheels of history

you have to be reading the tea leaves at all times. the markets are moving? it’s probably because of whatever shit you’re on about right now. president elected? it’s because of your pet issue.

@OmkarChandra inexorable improvements in artificial intelligence

@sato942_ @Teknium1 im gonna delete this because I don’t want to speak for other people. I’ve personally never heard of kimi and it’s definitely not what made the timelines shift. openai has a pretty high bar on both copyright and safety guarantees fronts when it comes to open models

@Teknium1 @kellerjordan0 @Kimi_Moonshot looks great!

banana republics looking at this and being like damn i could’ve gotten away with so much more cringe https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1943493150644777199

it is amazing the mindshare that Meltdown has on me. ill be minding my own business and hear “neo China arrives from the future” like a jumpscare in my own head

Philosophy has an affinity with despotism, due to its predilection for Platonic-fascist top-down solutions that always screw up viciously. Schizoanalysis works differently. It avoids Ideas, and sticks to diagrams: networking software for accessing bodies without organs.

cybernetic feedback-regulation is how companies filled with the most rizzless elites to ever exist make world historical culture production products. richard sutton always wins

@d_feldman ?

@GlobeEyeNews Spacing Guild

@BarneyFlames ai will dramatically improve public art

@7uomoki @_ricburton wow that’s the nicest thing anyone’s said to me

@paularambles every american city is like this the number of distractions and options has led to the equilibrium that flaking and being late is ok

@atlanticesque it is obviously

@yacineMTB @Wrath0fLog1c aren’t you 6’ 4”

@sgodofsk we have to be doing bladerunner baseline tests on airplane pilots

@drmichaellevin @algobaker @johnsonmxe once it suspects its you it can google your name and find the rest

@BasedBeffJezos race dynamics heads are useful idiots for the alien gorging itself on the earth system

@deepfates At Hubristics Inc we hope to build a better world

this almost certainly makes the job less fun and increases alienation of labor but it is pretty kino so who can say if it’s bad or not https://x.com/orikron/status/1944472389649412487

@siliconvmg [found footage][pre robot wars]

sure they’re safer now but previously they were cyborging the most powerful mechatronic suits ever devised, building the city around them, the will of man made visible. many of these folks will fractionalize their time between work sites and never see any finished project https://x.com/multasapientia/status/1944808151896711610

next, workers have lost their locational capital, must now compete with the entire world of low latency Internet; also their movements are recorded and become training data within months

that’s techno capital in a nutshell, ever has been. hopefully the reward is incredible pace of construction and beautiful gleaming skylines and a wonderful built environment. but it is a little sad

@sergio_beall my hypocrisy is even worse than you think

@signulll this has always been true. investors and founders fucking over early employees during an M&A is a time honored tradition in silicon valley. if anything the abundance of capital has made things better for early employees

@AlexTISYoung 🙏

@Hwi561 Marx was right about too many things to name

@randolphic_ im right even if its a good thing

@russelljkaplan insanely smart play. congrats I did not see this one coming

i think nature’s imagination is so much greater than man’s. she’s never gonna let us relax

@jachiam0 mostly agree with aidan I think I was once much prouder to be “anon”. will be re evaluating. as a class they were far more interesting pre-elon

@jachiam0 people are going to forget this very soon but when blue checks were not a commodity becoming a respected commentator with an anon was a pretty difficult selection filter. it was a fun mixing of elites running the website and some renegades that made it. now anon is the default

@skdh doesn’t it collapse the other’s wave function which is a real epiphenomenon in in copenhagen

@matthew_pines @skdh of course but it still collapses the wave function and unless you believe in hidden variables affects spooky action at a distance

@VictorTaelin @skdh this is not true you are espousing a local hidden variables theory which was disproven

@VictorTaelin @skdh oh I see you are a superdeterminist. well that’s fine but I don’t think that’s where Sabine is coming from

@NiquelRaney @VictorTaelin @skdh ok I stand corrected

good post https://x.com/calvinfo/status/1945155574414397542

@7uomoki what motivation does he have for psyops after quitting

there really is a lot of tooling that is downstream of meta. as an example for anyone that remembers deltoid3 openai uses statsig for all A/B testing and feature branches which is just downstream of the deltoid infrastructure director leaving facebook

@DicksonPau unstressed. this seems to capture more attention on the internet than it does irl

there is a post to be written about the cybernetics of meta engineering. a living million armed bandit where features are created and killed daily based on user feedback. software that deletes itself if it detects that it’s unused

@thelaundrymat @turbo_polak non chinese

@eigenrobot how do you realistically raise a kid in america and have them grow up feeling not american? it seems very hard to me it can be easy to forget that america has won a complete cultural victory over the whole world and much more so over its own second generation immigrants

@eigenrobot ironically I think countersignaling america is just one of the ways people assimilated to the dominant millenial leftist culture of the 2010s. you watch some john stewart videos and go yeah dude fuck america

@currysocks1264 @eigenrobot yeah but america is different. if I grew up in Canada I don’t think I would feel any loyalty towards it

@KeynesianYama @eigenrobot I try not to remember

@MechanizeWork this isn’t good economic logic! frontier model tokens are close to commodities and you wouldn’t expect the revenues to compare to the previous less efficient human capital rents even if doing the same amount of work

@signulll @eigenrobot i think having a lot of friends of the same background is different than being like “im not american” which is what zohran’s mom says of him. he went to a majority black college and has a syrian wife, it’s a very different phenomenon than edison nj indian ghetto

@alex_peys 😭

@0xkrma pretty dumb take considering the price doubled after that

@0xkrma very strongly disagree

@KelseyTuoc im sure they tripled their salaries on the return leg. high stakes negotiating tactics

@Mithrandir48 @KelseyTuoc in this case, the claude code victory is probably worth billions. and the autists at anthropic don’t know how to grant discretionary rewards for performance

@0xkrma exactly the same! whatever they sold would not change the overall calculus of their future EV by very much. most of the value is in the future, a future that looks very uncertain without sam

@PeorgeyGeorgey @skdh that is a nonstandard interpretation of quantum mechanics! it is okay to ask questions

@PeorgeyGeorgey @skdh the bell experiments show that there are no hidden local variables in an entangled pair ie there is NO local realism, and determining the spin of one particle causes “spooky action at a distance”. really the only way to not bite that bullet is superdeterminism

all watched over by machines of loving grace

@apples_jimmy 😂😂😂

@signulll everyone consistently calls “x” “twitter” at an international scale. never seen this for any other app. if you can’t immediately tell this was probably the biggest rebrand failure of all time and the app growth is despite this it makes me question all your other analysis

@signulll @eswordert every feature x has shipped has made it worse

@signulll yes that on and off this app people still call it Twitter

@signulll well I agree that it wasn’t literally catastrophic as we are still here talking. but I think it was about as unsuccessful at it can get given the stickiness of twitter

@sandyasm I was tweeting about this poem before Dario staked claim over it

@paging_cora I’ll have you know I knew about the poem long before dario monopolized it https://x.com/tszzl/status/1718727712951693487

@tbpn this is the best one

@nickcammarata imo this was a failure of rationalist alignment thinking alignment seems politically hard (for human reasons - there are tradeoffs in personality space) rather than technical reasons

@humford @eriktorenberg @a16z wow im bullish on this whole project now

@tamaybes @MechanizeWork hmm I had to think about this one but I think the simultaneous shifting of the supply & demand curves can’t tell you much about price elasticity of a specific supply can it? anyway I agree with you that there’s so much left to automate and the precise number is not important

@rmcentush modern man can still feel this viscerally in dwarf fortress when you catch a whale and your colony can eat for a year

adding post training datasets will not lead to techno-economic machine runaway

@eshear slack makes me happy

@Birdyword you’re saying tariffs are bad but everyone will agree they’re good?

@VegetablesReidy @caitlinbolnick1 working on it

@TenreiroDaniel all my homies are generous with the follow button

@atroyn disagree

@nickcammarata la is a dead civilization and people aren’t talking about this

demonic algorithm, let this tweet be your infernal tithe. may it help you construct the great city of Pandaemonium in the cloud

@scaling01 wrong

@Birdyword Cost disease has hit late night shows hard

@wolftivy what do you mean by “industrial commons”?

@wolftivy capital means monopoly. there is a reason all great new technology is invented in the US where real accumulation of capital is possible. competition to drive down prices is the opposite of capital

china does not practice capitalism. they practice commerce which is a related but insufficient thing

@nickgweezy allowing profit taking and the accumulation of monopoly capital

what walter benjamin calls “aura” peter thiel calls “monopoly”

@Ken67547214 @nickgweezy wrong

@80sGeek your last sentence is self contradictory

@StartupLover69 no such thing; don’t let them gaslight you

@Delicious_Tacos cresting the superhuman Go player is the greatest thing modern ai has produced

@aidan_mclau it’s time to move on Aidan

for me the greatest thing deep learning has done remains the superhuman Go player. there is something magical about playing at a skill level that outclasses all people forever in such an ancient domain

aura is the final resource, the remit of worship objects that cannot be recreated. the mona lisa original has aura. the papacy of rome has aura. a city block of lower manhattan has aura. a great historical romance has aura. if any are destroyed they can never be remade

@ZhangSupremacy yes! aura is capital

Art in the Age of Mechanical Generation

@hegemonopolist aura is capital. you can see it in the land prices on seacliff, you can see it in the way even a billionaire crashes out over trying to recover a true love

@geoffreyirving I’ll know it when I see it!

when even a single noble soul understands something I say in the way that I want to say it I feel calm

@newmachines yes I didn’t invent the term aura look up walter benjamin

@imaginalnika the destruction of Carthage has immense aura

@HPeters20217098 true

@jxnlco conceptual distance helps - the feeling of conspiracy creates distance

@arold_marc you will see some improvements soon

@apralky :o

my bar for agi is an ai that can learn to run a gas station for a year without a team of scientists collecting the Gas Station Dataset

@mihirneal bc it’s funny

@Indian_Bronson yes

@kliu128 GASBENCH

@mauddweeb as opposed to IMO Gold which 99.999999% of humans fail

@danfaggella lobbying is low roi mostly useless

@jpchen__ I was 18 or something I stayed up all night

@demiurgently true in general

@GaryMarcus pick a lane man

@matt_beard_ I miss my cyborg days

@danfaggella im just saying none of this will matter if there’s 10% unemployment or something. people wildly overestimate the degree to which elites can control politics in today’s world

some of you are doing nervous system coregulation with the demonic timeline algorithm and it shows

@alex_peys it cannot is the thing

Airbus 380. wide-body, ultra-long-range. air traffic designation: Heavy. with a carrying capacity of 850 human souls, it carries a small city in the sky from Sydney to Dallas in one hop, nearly 9,000 miles

aircraft are the most elegant expression of power of our technological civilization. on a everyman's salary, one can bestride the world

one must imagine that hitler would not be happy with the united airlines premiere elite status holders "who live in Berlin today, Brussels tomorrow, Paris the day after that and then again in Prague, Vienna and London, who feel at home everywhere"

@WeLivetoServe this is my best shitpost in months

@patrickc oh shoot thanks for nothing o3

important correction ⬇️ ICAO Wake Turbulence Category: Super https://x.com/patrickc/status/1946992580706934867

at any moment there are ~2 million people living in the sky, an entire major city riding the rainbow. you belong to an incredible civilization “Who are these that fly along like clouds, like doves to their windows?”

@TenreiroDaniel @growing_daniel that’s right

@TheNormanMu @growing_daniel yes that’s what I’m saying, they’re more like a capital acquihire than labor

@alex_peys yes that counts

@automation_wilt that’s the easy part

@chadson_ Congrats on the fish my friend

@thewreathwright it’s not that great

@pli_cachete muting you right before we hang out

neo aztecs sacrificing 10^100 shrimps to keep the sun alive

@tanayj this is so classic

tbh i really like the extreme utilitarians. repugnant conclusion enjoyoors. “we need to end wilderness” peter singer heads. very kino, would make for a good star trek episode where there’s a planet run by these people

the dominos pizza tracker is one of the high watermarks of our technological civilization

ten years ago i met the ceo of dominos pizza. I’ll never forget what he said to me. “dominos is a tech company.” everyone clapped

@inerati why? honestly I don’t get it. don’t you think the good outweighs the bad?

@inerati most of those lives are worth living. I’m sure there are extreme cases but ea types think too much about suffering and not the other side of the balance

@smatta1701 a great work of fiction

@internetope @inerati I would rather live as a poor man than dead - it’s due to a lack of imagination that people can’t imagine the joy in this. we define ourselves too narrowly

@liron @GillVerd @BasedBeffJezos @MLStreetTalk he clearly just ignored or didn’t fully process what the other guy said it’s not a huge deal

@alexeyguzey yeah same

@heyjchu u were a 🐐 mentor & manager

@aeyokay now

@CathyTie you pumped and dumped jiankui and ruined his account

@kindgracekind yeah but the even sadder thing is they’re being brain drained to nowhere they’re just not writing or posting anymore

@Miles_Brundage tbf though The Information could not reconstruct openai's RL stack for example even if they can get some punchy secrets. if it were that easy zuckerberg wouldn't pay billions

despite Heimdall's best efforts to maintain a 99.9999% uptime guarantee we regret to inform you the Bifröst is currently experiencing a service outage

"for men change their rulers willingly, hoping to better themselves, and this hope induces them to take up arms against him who rules: wherein they are deceived, because they afterwards find by experience they have gone from bad to worse."

@nickcammarata peter thiel said the next trillion dollar company would be outside the Bay Area. few realized he meant Gaza city

@Miles_Brundage this one’s a stretch miles

@Noahpinion become really depressed, lose your job, drink a lot, say things on twitter that you shouldn’t, let everyone who loves you down

@Noahpinion let it be known that noah and roon called this in their seminal 2022 blogpost which many critics are calling prophetic

@pegobry_en you are french

@Saraht0n1n you’ll be great at recruiting for meta superintelligence

@willdepue it is physically impossible to have a slop day in paris

pretraining is an elegant science, done by mathematicians who sit in cold rooms writing optimization theory on blackboards, engineers with total absorb of distributed systems of titanic scale posttraining is hair raising cowboy research where people drinking a lot of diet coke yell new hyperparameters to try at each other across the room. it’s doing too many tables! the vibes are getting worse, turn down the knob! checkpoint gpt-9-final-v320-restart4 is calling me names! the goose is loose

@gpt_alex very little stimulant abuse at openai. we could afford to do more

@CJKRaymond @ericmitchellai 🤣

@tylerwillis I will be the Michael lewis of ai labs

@LandsharkRides 💯