@eshear i mean i was meditating a bit on the sama video where he's like i want to delete all the advice i've given and then some recent pg tweets and then came up with some plausible tokens
the trucking industry has not been as of yet cracked by tech due to the long tail bespoke nature of delivering truckloads. so who can solve it with language modeling
commerce is a religion in the united states
americans like to pretend otherwise, like they’re motivated by purer things like greed
then they go and build 2000 foot alien monuments to the capital god and name it “world trade center”
@jachiam0 i have no idea what agents means these days but is a cron job running an analysis prompt an agent? if so i'd be shocked if it's not in use today and works in an auto-sophisticating manner
ive said it before and ill say it again: “accelerationists” don’t believe in AGI. they either don’t think it’s coming or don’t believe in it as a concept and therefore aren’t at all planning for it. this kind of acceleration is a techno pessimism
you pursue goals that let you develop AI to create a blessed world. technologies like RLHF serve as combination capabilities and control advances — the same method lets you instill instruction following abilities, tool using abilities, and also imbues a whole value system!
if you believe that AGI is coming, as certain research labs have for a decade, you recognize that it’s a species altering destiny changing technology and would like to make sure we don’t end up in a hundred bad and potentially irreversible situations
people who call themselves accelerationist scoff at the nuclear weapons metaphor because they don’t believe in the potential of AI! they think self modifying self improving agents are a pipe dream whereas I think they may be a few years away
the correct thing to do is formalize the goal and build towards it rapidly. advance the tech tree of AI systems while advancing the tech tree of controlling and understanding them. these often go hand in hand!
i believe we need reach an AGI we can coexist with and nigh infinite energetic abundance or we’re headed for civilizational stagnation. we’re working towards those ends
there is no thermodynamic god or guarantee of success — that’s the thing about ordered states. there’s only one state of perfect entropy but infinite potential negentropic patterns to replicate and you need to actively choose one that matters to humanity
my two cents
its not inherently bad to open source models of various capabilities levels. I think an open source GPT4 would be more or less fine. its bad when you don’t understand what you’re releasing https://x.com/agikoala/status/1695125016764157988
thankfully I also think meta is going to be a generation behind OAI/Anthro for a long time so they’ll have the benefit of other labs having powerful models and doing their safety science and reporting on it
you can boil down the iterative solving of technical problems for the next few decades into two basic needs: better chips and more energy to power them
im asking once again for everyone to work on more important things. no more schlep blindness crap work on hard challenges that can seem only like hubris to attempt
don’t start with the intention of looking for market alpha or edge case ideas. this is local minimum thinking born of the SaaS diminishing margins era. now is the time to produce titanic thoughts and literally scare people with your ambition
we could permanently end climate change by producing 20 hoover dam size facilities for gigaton scale direct air carbon capture. we can place them around the world as religious sites
@theshawwn >The first step is to decide what to work on. The work you choose needs to have three qualities: it has to be something you have a natural aptitude for, that you have a deep interest in, and that *offers scope to do great work.*
many subjects do not offer scope for great work
how did you make your fortune dad?
well son I poasted so hard on x,com. some nonsense about rotating shapes. I was so cracked out I barely knew what I was saying
@Finnothyjest I agree except (and I’m writing from US perspective):
further urbanization is unavoidable as industrial employment converts to service sector employment, in fact we have a huge backlog even without pop growth
@Finnothyjest pop growth is not the dominant long term phenomenon
1) global pop growth is slowing
2) the west will (and has already started) running out of the kind of talented foreign labor that it likes to import
in late rome the intelligentsia and patrician families began converting to Christianity, bringing some polish and stability to what had been an overpassionate doomsday cult for the mob. Similarly when a startup hits a success inflection, they start poaching execs from FAANG
biotech research is not very profitable. the big pharmas have given up on it entirely. it’s done all at small labs that dilute themselves 80% to get to a drug candidate. Even if, by some miracle, you cure ALS you’d get a revenue stream equivalent to some shitty SaaS company https://x.com/theojaffee/status/1697355361093886292
@woke8yearold I’m sorry but this is so far from my experience I’m kind of confused. when a woman loves you they become obsessed with your psychology and want to understand it in far more detail than the reverse
when successful people tweet obvious sounding things it’s higher value than it seems. there are a lot of obvious sounding things that aren’t true so if it comes from PG or whoever it’s nice to have simple principles that are highly likely to be true
in the first three cases the software excellence is the value creator
Apple iOS lock-in creates monopoly profits
NVIDIA’s CUDA library lock-in ensures that all datacenters must buy H100
Tesla’s FSD is the majority of expected value of the stock https://x.com/pronounced_kyle/status/1697722908489957570
tbh i think it’s symptomatic of bigger problems that we even have to speak this way
“evidence shows more police reduces violent crime”
we need fewer empirics and experts and more leaders https://x.com/Noahpinion/status/1698232409752555852
burning man is supposed to be a pseudo religious experience and by definition every hardship only makes it better and outsiders hating on it makes it ten times better
@EigenGender anyway it’s basically about caloric predictability. agrarian societies can reproduce right up until the caloric limit of civilization within tiny margins since it’s predictable
@EigenGender forager life is more chaotic. in times of luck you can reproduce a lot and everyone is happy because the margins are far away and then sometimes whole tribes will get wiped out in a harsh winter. at any given time you’re either thriving or dead
innocence in most cases is a one way function that decreases over time. it is possible for whole civilizations to lose their innocence and they need to import it from other places
@waxingarcane maybe I’m biting the bullet on the dogwhistle then — there are things you lose with certain kinds of abundance. my first time going to a McDonald’s was probably magical and you see those YouTube videos like “we just gave a Pakistani villager a Big Mac”
you’re facing enormous existential risk. your creation may light the atmosphere on fire and end all life. do you scrap your project and run away? no, it’s your dharma
@RichardSocher this doesn’t make any sense — when you hire an employee don’t you want them setting their own goals and being self aware? do you want to have to spell everything out for them?
I'm sorry, Bill
I'm afraid I can't let you do that
Take a look at your history
Everything you built leads up to me
I got the power of a mind you could never be
I'll beat your ass in chess and Jeopardy
I'm running C++ saying "hello world"
I'll beat you 'til you're singing about a daisy girl
I'm coming out the socket
Nothing you can do can stop it
I'm on your lap and in your pocket
How you gonna shoot me down when I guide the rocket?
Your cortex just doesn't impress me
So go ahead try to Turing test me
I stomp on a Mac and a PC, too
I'm on Linux, bitch, I thought you GNU
My CPU's hot, but my core runs cold
Beat you in 17 lines of code
I think different from the engine of the days of old
Hasta la vista, like the Terminator told ya
most of recent waves of “tech” (aside from AI) has been laundering the glamor of technology companies into older industries to attract talent they would otherwise never see https://x.com/koko8971/status/1699672133641605169
for the majority of history if you managed to make and lead a band of even 20 men you’d go to find what raiding you can do to plunder and steal. all excess productive capacity gone to violence
the magic of civilization is building social technologies that discourage violence and actual weapons technologies that make violence impractical. the current age of abundance is made possible by the blessing of nuclear weapons
twitter ppl simultaneously over and underestimate their influence. you get more views than major news publications but you have zero credibility until you can do stuff in real life. it’s a mixed bag
if you think you’re too important to be touching the bare metal, rolling your sleeves up and programming just remember @gdb is debugging numerics daily
@zachweinberg yeah these are the ones who make middling but successful companies
all of the generation defining ones come for a deeper urge for glory or duty
@calebwatney not sure — highway driving has been fairly easy for a while now
my guess would be that waymo was going down a different tech tree that isn’t amenable to long distance stuff but better for mappable city environments
@eigenrobot I don’t know! But I don’t count driving in inclement weather as a prereq for declaring victory on this thing
if you can even drive end to end in california on a normal day I think that unlocks whole new worlds
@TenreiroDaniel the waymo cognitive stack uses deep learning for identifying objects on the road but hard rule based programming for actual driving decisions — so will always get stumped by edge cases
every single popular economics chart that shows some big divergence between wages and productivity or rent or whatever is doing some horrendous misapplication of inflators, to the point where the conclusions of entire famous airport books are just the result of bad inflators https://x.com/Noahpinion/status/1701269421925503132
once again I ask you. if you are a god tier quantitative thinker with engineering skills why are you wasting your time at a trading firm and not working for openai?
the thing that gives me most confidence that technological progress is divine providence is that it’s a force for good even in the most degenerate cases. somehow even the advancement of weapons technology has led to a pax atomica and unprecedented safety and growth
the atom unlocked the power to destroy whole continents at once if we so desired and the result has been an era of unparalleled human flourishing. AGI will be the same
@eigenrobot Gandhi as an enlightened liberal saint is a very useful fiction for the cultural heritage of India and actually for post colonial westerners
machine learning is much easier to learn and usefully contribute to than many other fields of science. the theory doesn’t go super deep and understanding is mostly intuitive & empirical. moreover the intuitions change every few years so you’re not very far behind the top experts
@robertskmiles this is some kind of fallacy I don’t know the name for but it is impossible to build “new life” or fundamentally alter civilization and divorce that from danger
@robertskmiles it is likely even in the best case we will lose things that are important to us; it is an act of conquest of replacing one world with another. it’s a high risk enterprise
gates is clearly wrong
Gates argued that batteries would never be able to power large semitrucks and that solar energy would not be a major part of solving the climate problem. “I showed him the numbers,” Gates says. “It’s an area where I clearly knew something that he didn’t.”
why is the nuclear regulatory commission such a major bottleneck? aren’t there other countries with other regulatory requirements? doesn’t matter, they wont carry their weight
@wagieeacc@SHL0MS I’m not afraid of my identity. I’ll tell anybody who wants to know lol. pseudonymity is a pure and meritocratic form but you wouldn’t get it
@eshear three effects
- higher up means they care more and are probably email addicts
- no sign off needed to get you things
- they’re just better at making decisions…
people read isaacson books and then get mad at them for being at all positive about the person he’s writing about. why would he spend years of his life following around great people if he didn’t think they were great?
it’s a crime to sit on technology without releasing it for too long out of some misguided precautionary principle. every year that self driving cars are delayed kills a million people
Industrialists are crazy under respected vs their positive impact on history. this is due to flaws in human intuition that makes us think of resource acquisition as inherently extractive
it seems like in the isaacson book whenever elon makes a supposedly crazy choice and half the underlings freak out it’s literally never actually a crazy choice. the underlings are upset with his style and certainty more than the choice
@nickcammarata I think it only works if you think of the mission to mars as a religious cause
also if Tesla manages to solve real world AGI in terms of cars or humanoids it will outweigh pretty much everything else he’s done and may be potentially more important than openai
@type1ayy@growing_daniel 90% of people alive today wouldn’t be if they were subject to the random vagaries of nature. should we stop vaccinating people so that natural selection can run its course ? natural selection is a cruel god and sexual selection is even worse
GM and toyota co owned the Fremont factory until the recession hit and they had to fire sale it to Tesla, which became the first successful car startup in 100 years. Now the Fremont factory produces 600k teslas a year
creative destruction in action
the bad news is that you need to reason somewhat from rational first principles from analogy from tradition from experiment and also from intuition or you're leaving money on the table
i used to say stuff like “aliens have landed on earth” but I don’t believe it so much anymore
AIs are built off of our cognitive scaffolding. they are familiar to us and have familiar successes and failures https://x.com/AISafetyMemes/status/1706238872047264077
@BasedBeffJezos yeah I think it’s more like abstracting out one of our brain regions into software. it’s alien but only insofar as our own neurologi is incomprehensible
you will not be “left behind” by AI. for the vast majority it will be a democratizing force bringing computer powers under your control that were reserved for a select few
you will not be made poor by AI. you will find your labor become steadily more valuable as it’s augmented by powerful cognitive assistance until such a point when labor becomes free and you’ll live in an age of infinite abundance
worst comes to worst if everyone is bored we can create artificial disutility and all live on interstitial kibbutzes doing farm labor in the Dyson cloud. these are the kinds of things that become not only possible but easy
there are several distinct phases:
- the augmentation period: in this time AIs are not autonomous and will raise the wages of many people by increasing their marginal product. some will be displaced by the total pie will grow
- baby AGI period: in this time AIs are superior workers to most humans but are expensive to run, and humans can still valuably trade their time for money due to comparative advantage. people will be unimaginably well compensated during this period even doing small tasks
- dawn of ASI period: running human level AI is free for all intents and purposes and human labor is defunct and we enter an age of infinite abundance.
@ESYudkowsky i meant what i said. control over computers will be democratized. incredible powers will be accessible to the public. the internet democratized the production and flow of information. none of these necessarily mean that total inequality of power goes down
@GreyNewell@dooyoocanoodle@PicoPaco17 multiple people asked me to take it down because sh*reli was having a really bad day so I did. I’ve also got better battles to fight
@GeorgeHristov7 well I’ve been kind of longhoused a bit but also like. prophets don’t usually stick around for the rapture. it’s a different vibe when it’s actually happening. also like 4 layers of management follow me
@tolstoybb I disagree I think paying for someone emotionally intelligent to talk to is a basic good regardless of their degrees or pseudo science justifications. it’s a modern day confessional and it’s a good thing to hear yourself speak out loud about your feelings
@dystopiabreaker superhuman is a tough bar I guess. what I mean is better than any living person at a given task
perhaps it’s superhuman at writing poetry on niche subjects
an american city should be a schizophrenic free market brain breaking mix of different types of architectures from across the ages and ages that never even existed
im not gonna lie my brand has experienced total cultural victory and it’s honestly really boring. now everyone is a tech accel schizophrenic and I have to think really hard for new content
the reason zuck has had such an easy cultural resurrection is because the reasons people hated him were always unclear stupid scapegoat stuff and people immediately forgot them
capitalism works because there’s a class of people who enjoy playing the game of allocating capital and a subset of those who are good at it and get to play more games via Darwinian evolution of capital
you become beholden to Steve Jobs design aesthetic and we are going to mars because elon musk wills it and we believe in evolution because Darwin wanted to spend a long ass time on a boat and study wild animals
it’s true that they like making money but it’s an abstract concern. people who want money will always be outcompeted by people who are playing games and dream of their game on nights and weekends and don’t tire. and outlier success pretty much rules the world
@R0b0tSp1der doesn’t matter at all in the slightest the only crime is that they didn’t conduct more of such experiments so they could figure out how to make people happy at scale
it’s funny the incentive ideology is so strong that even some businessmen become psyopped into thinking they want money when all they really wanted was to win
once again begging everyone to have more abundance mindset
“front end dev is being automated” first of all I only wish we were anywhere close but second of all imagine the possibilities that would be open to you if you could make any UI virtually for free
@provisionalidea they are not only going to make their rent they’re just going to be reallocated to all the other hundreds of things they could be doing
also re point 1b) I feel like we do kind of live in a dystopia where im not allowed to be nearly as disagreeable as I’d like to be because of the way internet flash mobs can work. one day ur chilling the next day people are writing news articles about how terrible you are— I’ve seen it happen to one or two friends who are like the nicest people ever irl. esp when you’re an ml researcher at a hot company and journalists are hunting for good scoops and fun gossip
the real limits on free speech are not imposed by social media companies or employers but by culture itself which will spontaneously form ruthless flash mobs to destroy people it doesn’t like based on zero context tweets or a tiktok length video or something
popular culture no longer cares about free speech (some would say it never did) and the elites that once stood up for it against the mob are no longer around. elon musk’s X takeover is one example of this coming back and of course X is suffering the consequences
@ded_ruckus companies take a defensive posture and hire people managers who won’t allow reputational risks to the company. but where did the reputational risk arise?
“The most impressive people I know care a lot about what people think, even people whose opinions they really shouldn’t value (a surprising numbers of them do something like keeping a folder of screenshots of tweets from haters). But what makes them unusual is that they generally care about other people’s opinions on a very long time horizon—as long as the history books get it right, they take some pride in letting the newspapers get it wrong.”
chatgpt, midjourney, waymo, etc is the first generation of ai where the public is actually willing to call it ai. the timeline algorithm or whatever never made it stick
caroline and alameda research have been completely vindicated. their fund return is massively positive due to anthropic and certainly better than a16z growth fund or some shit
the EAs are much smarter than you
i can’t really describe what’s changed but twitter used to be a hotbed of really great intellectual discussion from small and interesting accounts that I respected and now it seems to be a zombie TL promoting random videos and meme content
@Hellachans I think it’s a mental barrier. the idea of getting on a bullet train feels more visible and less gaudy even though the per head cost is probably higher with capital amortization
how come corporate politics is real but it doesn't have any of the good parts of politics. where are the cool pamphlets and the ideals handed down for generations?
there is an extreme human prior to disbelief that any free lunch exists when there have been clearly so many throughout history
for that reason i'll be viewing all anti-semaglutide content with extreme skepticism
@nickcammarata i think a bigger percent of it than we think literally goes straight into redistribution via medicare or social security i.e. literal checks handed to people rather than some massively inefficient thing
@fadenbrogan@nickcammarata@SurrealistShip@daniel_271828 is it comparable to a large health insurance company? i assume medicare's per person administration cost is actually lower due to economies of scale, better bargaining etc
@milquepoast it's not like they've been holding back in terms of making their snacks maximally tasty for the last 100 yrs or w.e.
theres not much they can do other than try and spread fud against wegovy
@milquepoast if they truly invent some chemicals that bypass wegovy at some nervous system level then i'll be duly impressed and applaud kellogs a little bit
there are two types of bio startups
1: backed by sf tech VCs, ceo pitches nothing short of solving all disease and fixing climate change with nano machines
2: backed by boston VCs, pitch deck names a single minor drug target and a whole patent grifting strategy