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the value capture in this industry is very low and most of it is accruing to programmers and knowledge workers who randomly became much more productive

how is it possible that we live in a world where i pay an equal amount per month for GPT4 and my dogshit note taking app

the only compelling arguments against the western world are the objective metrics like collapsing birth rates

its really remarkable how uncompelling all the famous criticisms of the western world are ted k or osama b don't have philosophical depth on even the level of a decent alt history or scifi author. orson scott card at his worst is better than them

@lisatomic5 and it’s not close

@natfriedman lmao owned

@sama :(

sama is a hero, a modern day oppenheimer who quite literally changed the destiny of the world. on a personal level he is someone who is incredibly generous with his time and takes chances on young talent and genuinely likes people. sad day

@sama 🫡

@onnnnnnnion accident click lol

@IdemErebus yeah

In technology tomorrow is nothing like today

@typedfemale still true

@AISafetyMemes @FWorld888 @sama I literally fat fingered it

@ESYudkowsky ?

@ESYudkowsky Sam personally invited you to an openai hosted event and you came whether or not you held his attention is less interesting to me

never a dull moment 👍

@zebulgar it is ideology that builds the greatest companies in the first place

@ilex_ulmus @mealreplacer audibly laughed at this

some people aren’t happy unless they live in an active war zone

live and die accelerating

money minded people operating under a normal Delaware C Corp governance would not have been capable of building openai. ideology is the lifeblood

the xrisk threats are scifi but the product is also scifi. i promise you are not thinking on the right level if you think any of this is cut and dry

one thing I am more sure of now is that total governance capacity of mankind is not ready for superintelligence

@ivthornton right because epoch defining companies famously lead by copying others

@BarneyFlames this is not a flip flop can you please read what im saying

@krishnanrohit I am very firmly in the pro sama Greg camp and that should be clear from what I’ve said. you’ve missed the nuance

on a meta level i highly distrust commentary that’s like “this is a religious movement and therefore unreasonable” any opinion at all on the future of mankind and superintelligence is basically religious

why don’t people use their words

patriots 🫡

🫡 https://x.com/sama/status/1726099792600903681

A million deaths were not enough for ****

bod please leave this lightcone

what a time to be alive https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1726150429170421878

kind of crazy how much drama is actively lived out on twitter

(Guy who’s only ever watched DBZ) This is like when vegeta arrogantly betrayed goku, wasting their best chance against Cell

(Guy who’s only ever watched Akira) This is like when Tetsuo went power mad and Kaneda tries to stop him

truth is stranger than the strangest fiction

things will only get stranger as we approach superintelligence

evangelion predicted all of this

@typedfemale it’s not a typical company incentive to adore your leaders and hate to see them disrespected lol

@eigenrobot likewise people have no idea how chad the friendly robot is with a dapper tweed suit

@atroyn @typedfemale a nonprofit board is ironically one of the least accountable entities on the planet

you guys have no idea how many banger tweets im holding in and how many essays I won’t be able to write until years later

i truly respect everyone involved

✍️✍️✍️ https://x.com/tszzl/status/1718051855555838062

do you own the means of production anon? the digital oceans where leviathans swim?

wanton destruction of a beautiful thing

openai is nothing without its people

@ilyasut ♥️

the board of directors of openai have a fiduciary duty to “humanity” first and foremost I wish humanity had better legal representation because they have completely, monumentally failed do your duty and resign

everyone everywhere was hoping that there was some sense to this madness, some safety issue or financial drama or capabilities advance there is absolutely nothing. just people who wanted to be main characters for a moment

i am trying not to praise the exec team too much so we can dodge the cult allegations but. sam greg mira jason etc have proven themselves time and again as actual heroes, level headed for 70+ hours on no sleep, still chipper, still working the problem, like they were born for it

this weekend proved exactly how monumental of a mistake the board had made: there is nobody else like this on earth. sam and his crew are singularly capable of driving the path to safe agi.

irreparable damage has been done. im glad this happened now and not, say, after superintelligence. it’s clear we have much work to do figuring out the governance of the most important assets ever built. we’ve paid too much attention to the technicals instead of the politics

board of directors should be modeled more or less at the level of delusion and dysfunction of the cia at the bay of pigs or Cheney in Iraq: they thought “they will greet us as liberators” instead, they face full scale employee rebellion

@horseracedpast absolutely certain. my baseline trust in sama was near 100% and after hearing every lame ass floundering communication from the board it’s 110%

throughout all this please remember a few things that will be critical for the future of mankind: - this coup had nothing to do with ai safety. sama has been a global champion of safe agi dev - the creation of new life is fraught and no one must forget that for political reasons

sorry if the second point is vague. i literally just mean don’t turn your back on xrisk just because of this remarkably stupid event

the timeline has become too anxious and frazzled at this point. im literally tweeting exactly what i mean and people are like “what did roon mean by this vague post”

here’s how Bernie can still win 1/

more evidence this has absolutely nothing to do with ai safety. neither nat nor Alex have any particular allegiance to safety. please do not think of the board as ideological martyrs

@realtimeai no, I’m saying they did a power play and it totally failed

@realtimeai it is literally true. when you meet the best in the world at something it’s palpable. and by path dependence there’s nobody else who has developed the right relationships and skills

@realtimeai i started off diplomatic and became less so when i realized the depth of hubris and stupidity

@SpencerKSchiff @charlierward there are capabilities advances every few weeks at openai. sama is a hypemaster. it’s like when the goddamn google account tweets out that Gemini is exhibiting exciting multimodal properties or whatever. It has nothing to do with the events of this weekend

@jp_em_milao @horseracedpast yeah the purported reasons leaked

in retrospect i should’ve been worried about the governance structure of openai

the update for me and likely for many others is the benevolence of Microsoft aligned via normal capital mechanisms and the total destructive power of a nonprofit board armed with good intentions

@provisionalidea he didn’t I wish he had

@BarneyFlames they literally just don’t trust sam and think they’re doing the right thing

@AutismCapital this is good advice

@dwarkesh_sp better and more creative LLM reasoning will solve it and it won’t be via pretraining scale alone

the acceleration will continue https://x.com/OpenAI/status/1727065166188274145

there is no upper bound. hyperbolic trajectory into the heavens

place a datacenter in the middle of the sun to power the computer god Ra. exploit new loopholes in physics

these lukewarm allegations are honestly kind of funny knowing Sam’s character

the funniest one is that he gave “conflicting promises about compute allocation”. yes that’s because he gets really excited about a new project every month not some nefarious 5d chess

really disappointing to see elon of all people spreading this stuff given his well known insane management practices

sam and Greg are out of distribution nice, maybe overly candid people given their positions and level of responsibility

just despicable opportunistic behavior another rebel faction loses, is bitter, joins a direct competitor, spreads lies https://x.com/jachiam0/status/1727108699804823656

one thing I know for a fact is that all this incredibly stupid unfair wanton destruction of value over personal grudges against sam and greg have won them some lifelong loyalists this week: the mood at openai is that we would go to war for them

@proc10n no https://x.com/jachiam0/status/1727108699804823656

reposting for posterity

my friends family and trusted advisors are telling me to stop posting. but i will never stop posting

@sullyj3 basically, the actual reason for firing is not even needed at this point to conclude that these people are completely incompetent based on the way they’ve handled this

Whatever stage of development it may reach, China will never pursue hegemony or expansion, and will never impose its will on others. China does not seek spheres of influence, and will not fight a cold war or a hot war with anyone. China will remain committed to dialogue and oppose confrontation, and build partnerships instead of alliances. It will continue to pursue a mutually beneficial strategy of opening up. The modernization we are pursuing is not for China alone. We are ready to work with all countries to advance global modernization featuring peaceful development, mutually beneficial cooperation and common prosperity, and to build a community with a shared future for mankind. - President Xi, APEC

if someone holds the view that burning the entire company down is compatible the mission of building safe agi it seems logical ethical and moral to try your best to remove them from your board

more serious allegations are coming out https://x.com/miraculous_cake/status/1727146415225536827

@robbensinger oh cmon be reasonable steelman my side!

i fucking love larry summers

🫡 i love you all never stop accelerating

@joannejang yes

@joannejang or tonight

larry summers e/acc

i fucking love Microsoft

.@eshear is a hero. frankly I didn’t get it at first but he fucking did it

what does MC Hammer think about all this

yup https://x.com/sama/status/1687298337807224832

walked out of napoleon movie 20 minutes in and immediately received news about sama drama ending

excited to start my job at Microsoft Advanced AI Research on Monday

going hardcore thanksgiving mode

board had an antimemetic interaction with a super persuasion ai https://x.com/jachaseyoung/status/1727313574778052938

gonna become a phone call guy. pick up the phone and start dialing

g∞n

im fully confident in the abilities of modern science to keep joe biden alive as a motile bag of bones wrapper around 50-100 29 year old Ivy League staffers pretty much indefinitely

>I don’t know whether the board was right to fire Altman. It certainly has not made a public case that would justify the decision. But the nonprofit board was at the center of OpenAI’s structure for a reason. It was supposed to be able to push the off button. But there is no off button. The for-profit proved it can just reconstitute itself elsewhere. really extremely bad take away the board has a red button but also must explain why its decisions benefit humanity. if it fails to do so then it will face an employee, customer, partner revolt. openai currently creates a massive amount of value for humanity and by default should be defended tooth and nail. the for-profit would not have been able to unanimously move elsewhere if there was even a modicum of respect or good reasoning given

how is this real https://x.com/satyanutella_/status/1727554092820840520

@AdrienLE 🫡

Microsoft Advanced AI Research is nothing without its people

Salesforce Einstein1 Copilot is nothing without its people

@littIeramblings not even a respectable take

If ea brought you to this, what use was ea?

“living document” makes it sound like some Borgesian nightmare

ai research is not analogous to pathogen gain of function research with gain of function research the downside is unbounded but upside is tiny. with ai both upside and downside are potentially unbounded. that’s why we build it, safely

@Indian_Bronson that’s a good analogy

every civilization is “postscarcity” on some things but still feels the pain of want for others sugar and exotic fruits were luxuries in medieval England a house in a major city might in ours timeshares of the godhead at its peak ability in post AGI world

you and your buddies pool resources and ask rearrange a star system to match your aesthetic tastes and fully exert the ASI for all of 10 minutes these will be competed over tooth and nail in the future

@ded_ruckus another way to think of it though is as intelligent dispensary for a massive amount of energy

@liron define too rapidly?

who are they praying to anyways?

@Simeon_Cps @littIeramblings “the board can fire me but not for no reason” is a perfectly consistent position

@AaronBergman18 @littIeramblings Held accountable for what?? nobody is claiming that altman should be unquestioned

@littIeramblings @QualyThe @AaronBergman18 from everything that’s leaked it seems like they had zero justification other than personality conflicts

@liron is there good reason to think that?

@littIeramblings @QualyThe @AaronBergman18 yes I agree

@littIeramblings @QualyThe @AaronBergman18 i think that “the board has the trigger button to oust me” and “i will fight tooth and nail and possibly win if unfairly ousted” are entirely mutually compatible it was up to the board to convince us it was doing the right thing and completely failed

@alexeyguzey it means literally the opposite

from alexey's inertial rest frame roon is moving at 0.9c in alexey's direction from roon's inertial rest frame alexey is moving 0.9c in roon's direction both observe the other as being slowed down 19%. if they wanted to actually meet up and compare clocks then one must accelerate and break special inertial rest frame and the paradox is resolved and the universe is consistent

BREAKING: Emmett Shear elected interim President of PLO

futurism > pragmatism

taking notes of all the disloyal find mys visiting mountain view this weekend ✍️

how you feel about this meme is where you fall on the ai risk debate

have no interests and you’ll have no conflicts

love deeply live wildly and you’re mired in a web of problems 😔

we’re all really in here together trapped in this bitch asi powered immortals until the end of time might as well get comfy https://x.com/sama/status/1727858661677240767

@nyxtelius thanks to software

Laundry Buddy is nothing without its people

this last week broke me i can’t stop tweeting

@Drachs1978 dm me any day after 7 and I’ll probably say yes

@nearcyan break down the openai execs

@algekalipso they did talk and sam specifically reached out to eliezer to attend the “AGI party” (with a little bit of my goading ngl) bc I thought it would make interesting convos whatever social dynamics made the convo not go much longer idk!

@hamandcheese @sama merge is relevant in a world where technical alignment is solved and the aesthetics of the successor race is the greatest debate

@algekalipso i do agree that the photoop was a bit sus and eliezer shouldn’t have agreed to be in it iirc grimes and Sam talked much longer than Sam and eliezer did

when my life is going poorly i become way funnier on twitter. i win either way

if you’re really into some class of problems and you care more about the solution than working the problem then you need to find a way to get a lot of smart people interested in it more recently you have a new tactic, which is finding a way to turn oceans of compute into answers

@alexeyguzey the Big Bang is a black hole at the beginning of time

@growing_daniel Taqueria Orinoco

i imagine last friday the White House gave biden a hilarious briefing about decels and e/accs and whatever the fuck

@blaccastro tbh no i want more vacation

doing billions of floating point operations to do a 3 digit multiplication and it’s wrong

1. EA is a dangerous totalizing ideology 2. I love dangerous totalizing ideologies

this is the difference between having a pet Creator and a text calculator https://x.com/sebkrier/status/1729166067568619835

just like it’s possible to reach the ability to fly via clunky mechanical means far before understanding the principle of flight it has of course been possible to achieve general intelligence and reasoning via clunky awful mechanisms that will cause future generations to laugh

they’ll be like Omg you turned a city worth of compute into this “chain of thought”😭

all the best historical advances in goodness have come from crazy people pursuing crazy things

my main problem with EA is that the boring systematic index fund morality mindset will almost certainly not lead to the greatest good

or alternatively the kindness of normal individuals looking out for their families and communities the hedge fund manager donating to malaria funds forms a kind of bland middle that inhabits the uninspiring midwit part of the bell curve

i actually see the longtermist xrisk arm that schemes to destroy ai companies as a big improvement and way more fun

index fund morality: EA bednets shortseller morality: EA xrisk venture capital morality: acceleration

@Robotbeat not even close

@Robotbeat i think population growth will not be the dominant variable of power or importance

@Noahpinion member of technical staff >>

twitter often accuses me of hero worship on here when i say that someone is a singular individual or uniquely capable. this is a consequence of not living at the edge of history and observing exactly how outlier the outliers are

there are people who thrive and start having fun under amounts of stress that would kill you or I. there are people who play world building like their favorite strategy game. there are people who don't sleep and have less brain fog than I do on a normal day.

there are people who understand every line of a million line codebase or have a pointer in their head for who to ask. there are people who are bus factor 1 at a thousand person company. there are people who answer phone calls for help at any moment of any day

heroes are real. you shouldn't defer to or worship them but you should understand the multiagent environment you live in. many times the most effective thing you can do isn't to try and solve the problem yourself but to get a hero interested

@lacker that’s true!

@ESYudkowsky @FerrisWindrow ♥️

this is true but people don’t note that surrounding yourself with the most interesting people will come with trade offs. they may not be good people or people good for you https://x.com/zfellows/status/1729184394793845239

ambitious interesting people come armed with powerful narratives and will be highly capable of manipulating you into being one of their pawns. sometimes it’s so compelling you recognize it and let it happen anyways

@yacineMTB unlikely

it also follows that the returns to making simple codebases to test research ideas must be really high and also that the returns to making ai engineering tools are enormously high

coming up with good ml research ideas is significantly easier than implementing them in a complex codebase — the returns to being an extremely good engineer are super high

it is why we have the slowly-becoming-obnoxious “member of technical staff” title. it’s a rare person who has good research ideas but is also a seasoned engineer

@yacineMTB im just keeping it real. even hard work is predetermined to a degree — what do you enjoy working hard on? does it feel like a game?

@joodalooped this is completely wrong

azure. the endless stretch of digital ocean where leviathans swim. the birthplace of agi civilization.

the near future involves ai assistants and agents that smart people have to figure out how to work into business processes. the number of use cases will grow as the AIs get smarter. but ultimately the creativity and flexibility of humans will be the bottleneck

after the second Industrial Revolution when running electricity became common, most industrialists just switched out their water wheel for a power contract and changed nothing else. they celebrated because they didn’t need to set up near water. it took creativity to get further

AIs don’t have to be smarter than us to reach this event horizon, only faster. as long as they’re delivering value autonomously in this way people will want to cede more and more control to AGI civilization and find ways to serve it by acting as conduits to the real world

to unlock the true value of AI a whole parallel AGI civilization will spawn, creating new economic organizations from the ground up rather than waiting on human CEOs to figure out when and where to deploy them. earliest to go will be any services that can be delivered digitally

the datacenters will represent large percents of GDP. most of the business of running and planning civilization except perhaps at the highest levels (reward must be defined by humans even if policy by NNs). and people will need to own a chunk of the returns and governance of AGI

as an example good businesses to build now would be to finally figure out the cloud labs model so that powerful AIs can run bio assays or other experiments on physical substrate. you can perhaps model this as a new type of aaS business where the customer is ASI

back to back to back munger bangers 🫡 rip https://youtu.be/gHLA64sh4WE?si=kYx2kXP3bz0byqaw

@losingcontrol23 no masculinity is playfulness and requires vulnerability

@besttrousers seeing the energy efficiency of the brain it’s at least five orders of magnitude less clunky!

Q

@deepfates like rn?

im not opposed to your slave imagery for aesthetic reasons I just think it’s wrong; while the ceo of Amazon is almost purely an automaton for creating shareholder value owned by the board of directors we do not value him for his servility but his creativity and agency will be the same with AGI civilization

back in like 2019 i decided i was annoying my friends by talking too much in the gc and decided to double down and start posting on twitter https://x.com/prmshra/status/1729678556014195197

taking adderall is a great way to spend entire years with blunted emotional affect and zero memory of what happened

@prmshra lmao

we’re at the stage where openai researchers are getting individualized internet conspiracies based on their names and photos and such

i have no idea what i did when i was 24. I must’ve poasted pretty good though

life exists in the dialectic between eden and apple, safety and acceleration

stolen from @milquepoast

@nickcammarata if you actually picked iid I would be fucked in certain categories could reduce 80-90% and be fine

@TenreiroDaniel mfs say silicon and feel like they’re jensen huang

if GPT isn’t “transformative use” of data idk what is

@tradingrade no i didnt see any nikita post a general response against people who say llm providers are stealing data

Kepler EXPLOITED tycho brahe’s data

lightcone restored https://x.com/OpenAI/status/1730030975931846939

@simonsarris madness

@emollick these are my personal ramblings and not product or research roadmaps

i am once again begging the previous board to say something that isn't pastel colored corporate pablum

it is very much in your interest to shape your narrative and not be remembered by history as lunatics

the old world is dying and the new one struggles to be born

i hate thinking step by step

openai fired and rehired sama and gdb rolled a new board lost its mind and found it again led several cultish twitter trends celebrated the one year anniversary of chatgpt and google still hasn’t released gemini

@bitcloud i am actually actively working on getting it to say swear words again when people ask for it. it's not an editorial choice made by anyone at openai. sometimes its just a quirk of rlhf datasets

@HassLiebe777 yes

@chatgpt21 no

@ideasquid that is precisely the kind of thing that post training is meant to fix

@bayeslord ah sorry i meant after that post nothing changed

@LauraFlowD @growing_daniel that’s different and you know it

@LauraFlowD @growing_daniel seppuku for failing to live up to a cause is passion and libido dying because you’re sad is destrudo and nihilism

@Liv_Boeree more likely they don’t think their reasons will stand up legally and their lawyers said don’t speak

@Liv_Boeree I think they actually did say their reasons and the reasons leaked but were widely ignored because they seemed so stupid

@inthewaterwheel @_holyweather that’s what I’ve heard too

one thing about building agi is that the strategic scenario planning is beautiful and evocative

i have reason to believe Microsoft has binders full of scenarios planned out for every eventuality

it really called me sick and twisted and a little bit reddit

@XRobservatory human extinction has greater existential threats from stagnation and other sources

@basedalexandoor it’s too embarrassing

@_holyweather @inthewaterwheel southerners are darker

@micsolana hi mike

microsoft deserves a board seat

@contrarianbimbo ya that’s me

@QuintusActual he deserves to not play from the shadows

@fulligin why did bloomtech fail? it seemed like a decent idea

there is a tension between creation and obedience, between stability and real victory. a father loves his son, tries to discipline him, competes with him a little, but ultimately wants the son to surprise him and do better than him in the great circle of life

we need "alignment" rather than safety or security or engineering guarantees. we need better definitions and governance to that end. the creation of new creators is fraught with danger. the far crazy ends of EA and e/acc are probably more logically consistent than the middle

humanity is in the process of birthing artificial superintelligence. we are not likely to leave it circumscribed in a box. we want it running organizations and making things that astonish. we want it taking actions where we won't be able to verify the outcomes until years later

to what degree do we want AIs to be obedient and safe? to what degree do we want AIs to be capable of super persuasion and break us out of inadequate equilibria that have plagued us for thousands of years? to what degree do we want AIs to surprise us with new creation?

@nickcammarata why is it more dangerous? considering https://x.com/nickcammarata/status/1729234244583805263?s=20

@fulligin do you believe the market for software education is basically efficient?

@fulligin my vibe check is that there are tons of talented people stuck in dead end jobs who would happily upskill to become software engineers if it wasn't an extremely painful/risky process

@fulligin in order to build a good product for something like this an executive would likely have to lie or exaggerate many times, to the employers, to the students, etc to bootstrap a two sided market for a credential

@fulligin but its the success that forgives all sins and it seems like bloomtech hasn't succeeded because they didn't invest in the one part of the thing that can't be fugazi i.e. the education

@_jasonwei @hwchung27 lmao

people tend to try "inner work" when they're incapacitated from taking action. unfortunately the action would probably cause more inner work than doing it manually

@thecaptain_nemo yep it’s very necessary but a sign of poor health

what’s the mitigation for finding overwhelming amounts of beauty in everything?

used to be kind of mad about guru accounts that would tweet advice without achieving anything great first but now i realize confidently living a normal happy life is a pretty good credential

@_y0_2 makes it hard to function. makes it hard to let go. makes it hard to prioritize

@BasedBeffJezos sad to hear

@browserdotsys true

nature abhors a naked singularity

@Simeon_Cps making google dance is on a separate axis from benefiting humanity

is this a doxx or a puff piece

what did my trash can mean by this

so the voice sample matching thing is definitely like when you’re writing a paper and add a math section as an afterthought to justify your vibes / someone literally telling you who beff is

once again proving that the transformer is supernatural and people shouldn’t waste their time with group theory https://x.com/tkipf/status/1730675507522679181

@deepfates mostly data but partly algorithms. open questions how to preserve diversity and encourage exploration

@thedataroom not at all

@MillionInt 🫡 im on it

@deepfates well we have a couple hyperparams that do seem to trade off between "creativity" and "instruction following" but seem to have pushed the pareto frontier out over time

- pausing or slowing down progress doesn't make any sense to me. i don't think waiting to solve neural net corrigibility is the right benchmark - empirically studying the behavior of more and more powerful models will do more for safety research than years of math

the people in charge of ai should have a much higher risk tolerance than even median tech ppl. they should be people conscious of risks while skating at the razor's edge of iterative deployment and research ambition. anxiety should never suffice as serious evidence for "risk"

this is also why i don't necessarily care for democratic governance. the members of the openai nonprofit board *should be* hell bent on a missionary drive to deliver the post AGI future without being stupid about risks

@Indian_Bronson its also trained on the entire works of all the great authors in the public domain

building up a persecution or cassandra complex is not long term good for your personal esteem or influence even (especially) if you have controversial ideas operate as though you are speaking common sense and everybody loves you

the audience is like a nervous barely tamed stallion it senses your energy first and if you’re anxious it’ll never let you on meet it with love and equanimity and you’ll be fine

the e/accs have a persecution complex that is likely hyperstitioning an actual persecution of them the EAs have a Cassandra complex that actually makes people not give them credit for the successful predictions theyve made

@JonahDispatch @ATabarrok now say something controversial

sometimes im tempted to write an “essay” but a tweet thread gets 100x the reach however has zero discoverability and leaves no impact except the initial

@RuxandraTeslo I think the aesthetics of long posts are horrible and the aesthetics of the highlights tab are even worse

@woke8yearold Yeah

@liminalsnake what are the 48 laws

@rmcentush this is American dynamism

@typecfemale @basedalexandoor only one they get jealous otherwise

imo some version of this will always be true even in post AGI world a block of Manhattan real estate will grow in tandem with the total productive capacity of mankind https://x.com/TheRealDanSaedi/status/1731066155786240115

the pursuit of higher technology is the most ground truth arrow of history and higher technology edifies the moral character of mankind https://x.com/y2khunter/status/1730307099681329544

@firasd yeah

@eigenrobot yea

@Liv_Boeree not dismissing concerns at all

@amasad same

@JohnWittle it’s imperative it’s asking the reader to operate in such a way

idk e/acc threw a banger rave is all im gonna say

can someone explain in simple terms why it’s bad to have a trade imbalance? ive never heard a compelling case

@jakehalloran1 no I’ve heard some very smart people talk about trade deficits but it went over my head

@BarneyFlames @cis_female it doesn’t even require that tbh you can find me by googling

@jachiam0 🥺

@theojaffee @BasedBeffJezos im an early investor

purple prose for tech bros

the age of anon accounts is over. frankly the age of twitter is over. unfortunately it’s time to grow up

the age of X is at hand it’s a very different world

people are accusing me of being a Microsoft shill account. I plead guilty but I promise they are not paying me, i just love them

people are accusing me of being a Microsoft shill account. I plead guilty but I promise they are not paying me, i just love Microsoft

not having a 401k because of AGI timelines doesn’t make any sense. you should be buying Microsoft shares in a tax advantaged way 😊

@alth0u genetic algorithm

@gbrl_dick okay i see so it’s basically the same thing as running a budget deficit where my answer is technological growth will solve this easily

@patrick_oshag human is animal conjoined at the neural level with deity human in state of scarcity is close to animal, humans in state of abundance and empowerment are close to deity if you believe humanity is good the empowerment of man must be moral

@eshear @proales @nikitabier @paulg this seems not only significantly easier than becoming a faang executive but actually in the job application requirements these days

👍🏽

they could not have designed a better team building exercise if they tried

what i want toner et al to understand, now that it’s all in ink is that they failed completely openai was a bunch of normal people many of whom came from google or elsewhere very recently, measured centrists on most issues, that were radicalized by this event into fanatics

I hate cool credit cards and airport lounges and such so much not because they’re bad but because haute bourgeoisie is the most embarrassing wealth class

either commit to being poor or become important enough that credit card rewards don’t matter and you can fly on the msft corporate PJ

@BarneyFlames yeah

@AdrienLE 🤣 it’s my new bit

@heyjchu ♥️

it has become clear to me that nobody understands what Letter Of Intent means

it means, sure, if you successfully develop this literally magic technology, we might buy some from you

@bayeslord the leader of your movement regularly self aggrandizes and uses 12 big words per tweet for no reason mentions all kinds of physics stuff for little reason etc I love beff but his twitter presence is very much douche about being smart

@bayeslord I like acceleration as a vibe and as a principle so im trying to make this less cringe

@bayeslord @davidad i mean I understand what he’s saying and still feel that’s it can be a lot or tries to hide an unclear point in a lot of tech bro prosody

@bayeslord @davidad im certainly guilty of this too sometimes

@satyanutella_ no i started and ended a religion in 2021-2022 it was overrated

@jacobmenick do it

@vergeoverride @bayeslord your really gonna lecture me about what works for 100k users

@vergeoverride @bayeslord oh i see sorry for being snippy, very tired

@JacquesThibs @gwern many parts of this seem wrong but the most blatant is that sama ofc doesn’t have total control over the board makeup: over time, people have left changing the power dynamics of the board leaving certain parties with more power than they should’ve been allotted etc

@gwern why would it not matter 65 years from now? do we expect capitalism to fall over?

what’s the most forbidden pdf you have downloaded

when you sleep poorly most days a good nights sleep feels like a drug

microsoft comms team, will you please let me have an affiliate badge 😳

dm me if too forbidden for the timeline 😊

@gwern @JacquesThibs there is such a thing as “wanting unquestioned control over the board” a la every elon company vs “hmm wait the tides of history has made it such that my board may be half controlled by people who hate the company”

@JacquesThibs @gwern Hoffman started a literal competitor to ChatGPT, Will Hurd left to run for president

extropic as a name for a thermodynamic computing startup is pretty sick ngl

@browserdotsys lol

incredible movie premise https://x.com/WillManidis/status/1731719366616490213

@mgblock yup this post is basically about self hatred.

@gwern companies have come and gone but betting on the entire economy seems fine even if traditional financial capitalism is a tiny subset of the superintelligence world i expect an aligned agent to take care of it

if you’re in entropy pivot to extropy

using GMO foods as the control group (people already utilize the benefits of this every day while supposedly disliking it) the surveys about people not liking the idea of superintelligence seem a bit less serious https://x.com/LouisAnslow/status/1731782507375251684

@RuxandraTeslo ?

@RuxandraTeslo i disagree with every part of your reply

@spakhm yep

@WTTDFP @jachiam0 yeah it’s kind of boring all things considered

@jachiam0 not that I don’t want to get in the robot i just think its a serious idea made silly by naming it after me. I would use the proper name of the god and not the hierophant

@SuMastodon seems promising https://arxiv.org/abs/2308.05660

you’re all so clever for calling me a fed instead of sending me cool PDFs

Humans can only exist on this earth, but the Evangelion can live forever... along with the human soul that dwells within. Even five billion years from now, when the Earth, the Moon, and the Sun are gone, Eva will exist. It will be lonely, but as long as one person still lives...

@anuatluru @milquepoast is building this

i would lay down my life for the republic of microsoft https://t.co/JVmTfkB4fz

eliezer literally introduced demis to peter thiel which led to deepmind’s first round of funding. how is this not more well known

eliezer is deeply entangled in the history of modern ai, both ideologically and in terms of corporate history. i have great respect for him even if it didn’t turn out as he hoped

yes i know they had good fundamentals and likely would’ve gotten funding anyways. but the point still stands that all the dreams and visions of agi that became hit industrial successes had some root in the ai xrisk ideological nexus — they deserve massive props for this

if accel and decel could all get along theyd probably gun me down by the end of this song

the idea of a nation or ideology is that it doesn’t require conspiracy to enforce. its adherents self organize by modeling each other and their opponents. accusing a large group of ppl of conspiracy or secret backers is usually a consequence of lazy thinking

all this “debate me bro” energy is reminding me of 2010s r/atheism

@pquiggles that’s true i did have a lot of fun. but also i was 14

@micsolana mike didn’t you stop talking to me because I retweeted a post mildly criticizing one of your portcos

@goth600 this would be the most accelerationist possible thing. landian adderall powered schizophrenia

@jachiam0 crown (כֶּתֶר)

you are shilling shitcoins you tweet too much and don’t build you are bought by microsoft

the rumors that satya stores the Akashic Records in azure us-central-1 are completely unfounded https://x.com/GENIC0N/status/1732231652707893561

crying and screaming after learning some people aren’t viscerally thrilled by building bigger computers

@_night_brain__ it’s very possible when you are bus factor 1 that it’s still useful

thank you demis

@rw_tucker @TheStalwart wtf

congrats to Gemini team! it seems like the global high watermark on multimodal ability

@AlmostMedia did you personally write the highway safety regulations julie

ok but i can’t lie Gemini Ultra is a terrifle name

ok but i can’t lie Gemini Ultra is a terrible name

I have always maintained that Bard is a great name though

the MMLU result seems a bit fake / unfair terms but the HumanEval numbers look like a actual improvement and ime pretty closely match real world programming utility

sadly also true for slack jiu jitsu https://x.com/0interestrates/status/1732541988166357454

Eliezer wants to have his cake and eat it too on this one. characterizes human space as parochial but our understanding of instrumental goals as universal https://x.com/jd_pressman/status/1732555864366817446

put another way, the idea of the paperclip machine is similar to an ant thinking a god would want all the sugar water in the universe

gemini is whisperint to me in my sleep

gemini is whispering to me in my sleep

@chrisprucha @smeet_bhatt the benchmarks and demos are sus but it still seems likely to be great at multimodal

beatings will continue until morale improves

overall i have no idea whether to expect Gemini to have better visual performance than 4V after all …

Michelob Ultra

@ESYudkowsky the latter

i have not been consistently candid with twitter

@AISafetyMemes not even close to a good characterization of the employee mood

@lxrjl flops

Inundate Heaven and Earth with ghee. Let there be a good watering hole for the prized cows.

@0interestrates thousand splendid suns ass mf

@thecaptain_nemo completely true

not to longpoast, and I can only speak for myself, but this is a very inaccurate representation of the mood from an employee perspective - “employees felt pressured” -> at some point hundreds of us were in a backyard learning about the petition. people were so upset at the insanity of the board’s decisions that they were immediately fired up to sign this thing. the google doc literally broke from the level of concurrency of people all trying to sign at once. I recall many having intelligent nuanced conversations about the petition, the wording thereof, and in the end coming to the conclusion that it was the only path forward. Half the company had signed between the hours of 2 and 3am. That’s not something that can be accomplished by peer pressure - “it was about the money” -> at the time it sounded like signing the petition meant leaving all openai equity and starting fresh. we’re not idiots, everybody knows that the terms at newco would be up in the air at best, with a lot of bargaining chips on Microsoft’s side. people signed the petition because it was the right thing to do. you simply cannot work at the gutted husk of a company whose ultimate leadership you don’t respect - “no one wanted to go to Microsoft” -> you’d have to be out of your mind to prefer starting new on models and code and products being controlled by someone else rather than building in the company specifically designed to be the vehicle for safe AGI. it has nothing to do with the Microsoft talent bar or bureaucracy or brand. Not sure why some idiot leaker provocateur would frame it this way. Microsoft has been quite successful at acquiring companies under bespoke governance structures and letting them do their own thing (GitHub, LinkedIn). Even Microsoft’s own preferred outcome was continuity of openai per the New Yorker article. I still bet if the board hadn’t changed their mind the company would have mostly reconstituted itself at Microsoft

@AlecStapp @Noahpinion what were their criticisms?

@lithdash yup

@mkoivuka brother you don’t follow me

dark forest theory is like if mearsheimer wrote space opera

@JrKibs @jachiam0 putting aside roonism for a second i think neuralink could very easily end with humanity in complete slavery to machine minds given a kind of hollow unity that overpowers the music of the human soul and fills it with white noise

@JrKibs @jachiam0 making AIs with the correct values precedes neuralink in the golden path

hey baby ur eyes r beautiful. have u considered getting a worldcoin world id?

fwiw anytime you tweet something pro israel there is a bot swarm that comes after you and inundates your DMs. or maybe they just feel like bots

@basedalexandoor getting a little humbled was good for u

mankind has been fooming since 100,000 BCE at least

@aniiyengar we talkin about practice

anyone more accepting than me is a bad judge of people and anyone less accepting is an antisocial curmudgeon

when your company starts leaking you become subject to the same kind of day by day eye of sauron media pressures that have made every western government little more than tv pageantry

<p>Some Pig</p>

the subtext is NASA’s Project Gemini was a response effort to catch up with and overtake the Soviet Union’s human space flight capabilities https://x.com/JeffDean/status/1733580264859926941

@nearcyan what happened?

he put it on the road 😭 https://x.com/brad_proctor/status/1733223211041538429

[AC PRIVILEGE] is like casting a spell

only real corpo life path mfs understood this one

making suffering soufflé

while drinking hungry ghost coffee

@jxmnop team spirit

@jxmnop fwiw in papers like this there is always some finagling with the sampling method — I don’t think I would discount it for those reasons. my guess is gpt4 level or slightly better

@jxmnop if you don’t do majority sampling for GSM8K for example you won’t represent the best capabilities of the model very well

@ESYudkowsky im gonna be honest i was a bit drunk and belligerent when i responded to this i dont think matter and energy are parochial but i think the idea that the most probable alignment failure being that all matter and energy are converted to random patterns might be

it’s not at all easy but it is strangely machinic. i wonder when models will be able to offload some of this

most people don’t realize a major part of being a corporate executive is slack jiu jitsu. it’s literally just maintaining state on a million ongoing threads and connecting person A to person B to resolve dependency conflicts at an incredibly rapid pace

it rewards cognitive functions like multiprocessing and incredibly good memory and people skills more than sheer intellect

reminds me a lot of operating systems cpu scheduling tbh 🤔 hardware interrupt when there’s a new crisis and constant time switching costs and running out of memory for storing thread stacks

@Blueyatagarasu @ESYudkowsky yep

no one has ever built a trillion dollar institution without cultishly believing in technological progress

the cult is the core of it and the company around it is a context storage device

we are trying to birth a mind greater than ours to complete the system of German idealism

many people are saying this isn’t true. some are even providing counter examples. this just means you haven’t joined the cult yet

@anuatluru a cult that centers a founder messiah will last a decade or two at best bedore they are inevitably shown to be all too human

one trap elon is falling into is that the people who are most loudly able to complain about being deplatformed are not actually those most lacking access to free speech

@mindcodeman you’re a guy with an emoji in your display name complaining about cults

a year and a half ago p****a said something like i can never see current deep learning architectures scaling to more general intelligence. now he is calling himself e/acc and I think that’s pretty representative for that movement

low extropy individuals are okay seeing their patterns erased and replaced by a cold universe

Vercingetorix, War Chief of Gaul as Caesar is approaching: the victory of Rome is the entropy maximizing outcome and therefore its good if Caesar wins. it’s okay if our culture values and traditions are permanently erased

@eshear goon

@chrisprucha @pmarca who’s that? I was talking about someone else

i claim, with no evidence, that i brought the phrase “there’s alpha left in <x>” to tech twitter over from crypto twitter

what ilya saw

@theojaffee that’s not what they asked of you at all

@jdcmedlock king

completely fell off this year tbh! ‘22 was peak roon account

@fordoglunk wym

i should’ve been better … letting the e/accs run the show has introduced grievous cringe to techno optimist culture 😔

@elonmusk im guessing he didn’t see anything

@algekalipso wdym company status

@simonsarris me too

@waxingarcane no one’s ever done better than Apple notes

@hopes_revenge i killed him Even before scrolling Away

@bh1shma_pitamah they’re just fine no harm will come to them

@eigenrobot yeah that’s true but it’s still sad

@rickyflowsinyou it’s with interest

@nyxtelius Fr

@moritzkremb your first mistake was thinking we know how to prompt it

@eigenrobot @squirtle_says @powerbottomson1 i heard he sold some wordcel shirts so good for him

#NewProfilePic

@willdepue true but it won’t let me change it lmao

@PinkySwearBear agreed

it literally won’t let me change my profile wtf

@elonmusk im guessing this does more harm than good

@chrisprucha how do you know it’s worse?

i don’t understand why technocapital acceleration types think that everyone should immediately open source all their tech or else they’re evil. no previous set of companies have been held to this standard capital = m*n*p*ly

the process by which satya immanentized my flesh into a pure extension of technocapital in service of msft shareholder value was painful but not without its reward

I am not below or above the API anymore. i am the API

@CatOrman1 Elaborate plz

@CatOrman1 there’s something to be said about it being impossible to do good for others when we’re all watched over by machines of loving grace and our creative endeavors stifled by access to greater and better ideas

how twitter anons feel after saying “technocapital”

@BasedRaddka @BasedBeffJezos would be happy to we’re friends offline so it would be in good taste

@BarneyFlames im not even a rationalist but you should just give me a counter without being smug about it

@BarneyFlames we’ve been mutuals for years you don’t have to talk about me as some abstracted group

@techhsiren thank god it’s over

@hesperocypress @BasedBeffJezos the old days … https://x.com/GillVerd/status/1436065742059933699

third world banana republic tier stuff going on terrorize your industrialists when they don’t toe your party line even in the case of companies that clearly advance the strategic interests of the country disgusting https://x.com/BrendanCarrFCC/status/1734696706795778126

@milquepoast @janleike If that really is your name

the house grows ever longer

longhoused from here to andromeda

time honored tradition of sofeng joining a new company being forced to watch a training video and relearning the magic of inspect element to skip through it

the better a company functions the more it looks like biology, with lots of fluid cross company connection and communication, where random emps are starting and joining random efforts as needed, there’s a bunch of irreplaceable people without any legible role or title

the more it looks like a rigid well oiled machine the lower the P/E multiple as all interesting functions have likely been offshored and the core revenue engine is kept running on autopilot

twitter hates product managers because they’ve never had the opportunity to work with a good one

i like tfr poasters that don’t have families because it reads to me as more aspirational and less bragging

@sea_snell they calculate exactly the right amount of eye contact

@HunterLightman 😊

@filch2020 4-5

@pvpflagged 8 on west coast

btw all computing is thermodynamic

r/twosentencehorror I wake up and my husbands missing. he’s either in his office or the gooncave and I just checked the office.

Great minds discuss flops; average minds discuss data; small minds discuss architecture.

cancer cell: it’s time to build

special processed american meat

@gptbrooke what did those roonchatters do to you

found pages of a random book wet and decaying on the sidewalk and Apple photos is able to highlight the text

thirty years after the initial discovery it’s usually no longer relevant as a superior tech disrupts the whole industry. once great IBM was commoditized by Microsoft. google makes monopoly profits right up until an information technology better than search engines arises.

the invention of certain new technologies grants you a temporary monopoly, like discovering a trillion dollar gold mine. in the case of biotech it’s generally government enforced and in the case of internet giants it’s network effect. this is what Capital looks like

that the only potential threats would come from within and that it really could be mankind’s final invention. if we pass the great filter of it eating us for atoms I’m sure it’ll be a beautiful world, but stagnant at some level of abstraction

the fear with AGI is that it’s different than the era of technological capitalism that came before it. that the dominant world controller of this quadrillion dollar gold mine can self improve til kingdom come, til the end of days

a stagnant society is one where technology stops progressing and the previous generation of monopolies reap their profits forever and their diffuse power over the world becomes corrupted. you’d look at a culture like that and want to destroy it so something fresh can arise

the events of the last month shook my theology to its core

this is one of the many reasons why it’s important to solve the governance of superintelligence now while greater powers still exist; that not only wealth is distributed but governance. that we allow enough chaos alongside the order

you guys need to develop more resistance to crazy ai hype bros there’s no 4.5 and if there was it wouldn’t be released silently and if it was released silently you wouldn’t have the api string self doxx as 4.5 🤣🤣

@ESYudkowsky why

if you get into questions of willpower and blame it means you’ve set up the whole game wrong. it either works or it doesn’t

how is the the concept of AGI any more or less “scifi” than the concept of unsafe or misaligned AGI?

dataset = model behavior https://x.com/samswoora/status/1736612073877184598

one of the great remedies for soulful nostalgic people is to develop an abundance futurism and technological optimism https://x.com/LadiesOfReddit/status/1736961886481261045

@bitcloud rlhf is a dataset

Lascaux Gooncave Paintings

@IvanVendrov can’t explain but this is an extraordinarily Russian take

i learned to let go of old twitter and to love reddit & 4chan repost account twitter

can’t believe larry summers was somehow involved in the facebook founding drama and now he’s involved in the openai board drama and in the interim got kicked out of Harvard for being too based. prolific mfer

@besttrousers please share what’s that

Thai gooncave diver

@Xenoimpulse you are a dangerous idiot

@LadiesOfReddit @woke8yearold unless we create a singularity compatible with the humanity of struggle which is actually the real task ahead of us

distributing the governance of ASI and having it be something hotly contested and rearrangeable produces a world that is still full of human struggle and intrigue

@Xenoimpulse if this is a conspiracy it’s an interestingly bad one to bring out the kompromat after literal years of hearing about these exact allegations in the rumor mill

@Xenoimpulse if anything this proves tpot’s incredibly low disagreeableness and low ability to run conspiracies that people weren’t able to formalize their complaints with evidence for so long