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broke: kali yuga woke: cali yuga
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@halvorz believe true paper it is always magical to feel that you know a little understood secret
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@halvorz plus positive results beget more positive results so it gives you a research edge negative results don’t beget anything in the general case
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obviously the efficacy of gifted programs shouldn’t be graded on the average case (whiners on twitter) but the outliers whose talents would’ve otherwise been marginalized
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>just homeschool sounds good doesn’t work. expensive and boring >they’ll take the standardized test and get into a good college not after they ban all the standardized tests and even if you do you’re at a disadvantage vs the kids doing APs
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@sameQCU what does this even mean obviously the kids of highly successful people are GMI no matter what
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You should seriously consider what side you would have been on during the Finno-Korean Hyperwar
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@averykimball @halvorz ok I ran a correlation on the relationship between eating Twinkie’s and gdp growth and found nothing now where do I go next
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it still isn’t solved bc it only works with plausible MSAs but that’s another story
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@PstafarianPrice no i am saying this almost tautologically because i don’t think nearly anyone would stand for their beliefs on something so unremarkable when threatened with death or homelessness or something. no particular judgement about you
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@mraginsky not sure why it would be particularly difficult to do structure prediction of allosteric proteins this is not binding, just static structures
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@mraginsky ah I see what you mean - no I don’t think they’ve made progress on that yet. Might be interesting to try out
@dcwych this one seems straightforward and we should get on this ASAP
need to become high status enough that nobody ever exhorts you to “just be normal” again
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· ↳ reply to @PstafarianPrice
@PstafarianPrice i basically think only dramatic losers with zero skin in the game and zero chance of hurting their own material comfort would quit their jobs over a symbolic loss like a vaccine mandate and I’ll stand by that
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@gbrl_dick honestly cope these days it’s like notgifted - ngmi gifted - you have a slight chance of making it
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@darpyu cross section of ML and compbio
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@ProfoundPilled empirical fact they thought I was a celeb at 1k followers
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elon is supposedly “busy” running several companies but not too busy to watch every reddit tv show and play every reddit video game that comes out. you can’t explain that
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dropping acid and walking around gigafactory
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how are the North Koreans not already on this
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@eigenrobot @fistlosopher no i think this is fine actually bc the question is trying to avoid actual hacking related answers (eg i broke thru their firewall and deleted their records ...)
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density is more like the bitter medicine that high state capacity jurisdictions will make their citizenry swallow, similar to congestion taxes, gas/carbon taxes, legalizing “price gouging”, etc so in other words not happening in the us 😂
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@GreySmithereens you pay for the city, you don’t pay for the density the richest in eg San Francisco still have properties where they don’t have to share walls
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@Hellachans I’ve already accepted this but I don’t know if it really changes anything wish we could all have mansions that are also close to work but seems physically impossible
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@0x543211 this is very much a thing but pretty much exclusively the purview of the mega rich
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to the people saying you like density. no you don’t. you like your big popular city, local amenities etc, but i doubt you like your shoebox apartment and even if you’re one of the rare ones who does most Americans aren’t like that
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btw this is coming from the king of all bugmen and even I get annoyed having roommates and listening to road noise
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@varunramg yeah I prefer this too but I like it a lot better when you get like 1500 sqft of it lol
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@moultano there are megarich enclaves in high proximity to city centers with SFH that will have far higher per unit prices than similar location apartments of course the higher the land value the more likely developers are to build high density apartments there
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@moultano of course — in fact I’m explicitly endorsing denser housing to be more economically efficient but nobody should kid themselves re whether an avg individual would choose apt or house in the same area (excepting something like a high rise penthouse)
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@halvorz had to go back and unlike the first two tweets after reading the third tweet
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@halvorz not that i necessarily agree but i press like on everything that doesn’t explicitly anger me
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@Austen grand reveal time: i am austen's alt
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· ↳ reply to @SkepticalAlpaca
@SkepticalAlpaca lol what does it even mean to win $10trillion. a year ago there wasn’t even that much liquid M1 supply in the world
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@ParrotRobot holy based I mean this would be great but I know for a fact there’s a guy living in a 70th floor 2000 sqft penthouse in this same area and I’d rather have that instead
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@shriyanevatia I don’t mean literal instincts I mean intuition that may be trained by nurture but I kind of doubt it
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@Mousr8 I should not have said instinctively I just mean “gut reaction” which can be cultural or biological or entirely otherwise
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@Mousr8 nobody “hates” space but I’ve seen a lot more women comment on being entirely indifferent to space whereas virtually every man I know gets excited. all anecdata though
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@Mousr8 It’s a massive effect size to explain away like that
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i did not use any of these because mine was both more effective and more fucked up
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@Mousr8 I mean the effect size on the vox poll but agreed here as well
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@Mousr8 I’m not gonna use it against anybody Would be silly to hold group differences against individuals tbh I’m very neutral on nuclear fuels and extremely ++ on space
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@Mousr8 current economics of fission are not great from what I can tell and Ill believe in fusion the moment they open the first real reactor (though I’m hopeful)
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holy based
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ok people are clearly not understanding this thread development, densification, upzoning of city cores is obviously economically optimal and I support it I just think it’ll never work to try and make it sexy https://x.com/tszzl/status/1447347554685947906
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some also clearly misunderstand the cause effect relationship between price and density land price increases density rather than the other way around the most sought after neighborhoods in the world are both (relatively) low density yet still close to everything https://x.com/ghosttyped/status/1447387185817296898
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@upzonesocalpls @cw4emeryville @ChrisByBike btw i encourage building taller and i am extremely urbanist lmao please reread the thread if everyone could have 1800 sqft multi level apartments in a 70 story building that would obviously be ideal but its clearly cost prohibitive for most
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@MatthewDownhour densifying is still the optimal land use some people will suffer density to enjoy proximity the richest will enjoy both sparsity and proximity
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@HProgressivism yes thats very fair but when noah says sell your SFH and accept your rowhouse he means "accept fewer square feet"
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@MatthewDownhour again i am in full agreement -- many are mistaking my descriptive thread for something prescriptive. zoning should be heavily relaxed in city cores
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new new urbanism is where we build skyscrapers that have several 2000 sqft multi story condo units inside each with balcony
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@btbytes your kid will be blessed with prodigious rotation ability
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can someone explain why startup options have nonzero strike price
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@tscarrithers same i can do like <6 hours for a day and be relatively fine but two days in a row i turn into an incompetent sociopath
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@contritepossum wait so let’s say you have to leave the company but your stock has like $100m in capital gains if you exercise options then do you just instantly get fucked if it’s illiquid? can you borrow against it to pay the IRS?
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@sloring_ look I’m not here to argue with public policy phds lol I’m sure we agree beyond some miscommunication my point is that as land value increases (centrality, proximity to workplaces, fashionability etc) the optimal choice for owners will change and they will want to build denser
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@sloring_ this cause effect is obvious because if we relaxed zoning in say areas like the mission in San Francisco obviously developers would build tons of high rises because that’s the profit optimal decision but the land value was already high
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@OswaldHurlem how am I wrong the higher the land price the more the incentive to build denser
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@alth0u is this an indian whatsapp mass DM
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guy who celebrates both Columbus Day and indigenous peoples day
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@gbrl_dick the cost of prescarcity is either infanticide or birth control and there’s no third choice
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@dragoncowman1 of course I’m talking about the market clearing price not just the ask
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@thebestestpie @gbrl_dick true I guess if the weather and weird conditions wipes out half your tribe now and then you have effective “prescarcity” but idk doesn’t sound that fun
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interns are actually positive value. wasnt expecting that
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@postpostpostr yeah to be fair it’s unsurprising that the MIT girl with several papers to her name can also wrangle ads
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ok dunks aside every company claiming to use ML to price consumer debt has their single most important feature as FICO pretty much no matter what
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@ctjlewis no I think it was a bit before my time iirc shut down in 2016 right ?
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@bryancsk children will cry if you take a toy car from them. so what? One time I cried for 2 hours because my uncle broke my fisher price bow and arrow
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we should be subsidizing the production of marvel movies
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1 billion Disney Americans
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50-60% IVC descendance
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love how in factorio you start at the tech level of making coal fired stone furnaces but also have intelligent robotic arms that would put all modern technology to shame
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like you don’t even develop microprocessors til the late game
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I should not have made this thread because the lowest reading comprehension mfers on the planet logged on to yell at me
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@CHRdollarsign yeah it was a bit sus. Honestly I didn’t know about the origin of that joke lol
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@samdman95 no this topic genuinely attracts people that are not interested in listening, just yelling. you all have been in the trenches for so long you don’t even recognize people on your own side lol
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@samdman95 im a big city pro upzoning bugman through and through and even im under no illusions that people would rather live in 500 sqft instead of 1500 sqft and a yard independent of other considerations. there is no point exhorting people with houses to get in the pod
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alain bertaud. Please note the order of operations
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@sorkincel @samdman95 literally yes this is possible and happens all the time in cities with restrictive zoning lol
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@samdman95 @alfred_twu do you see that Noah is asking people to explicitly sell their house and get something with less sqft I understand perfectly well $/sqft drops when upzoning happens
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@samdman95 @alfred_twu at any rate there is no clear demarcation between overcrowding and density if you can’t increase height you will increase crowding. if you take my case to the extreme you’ll understand nobody wants to live in Kowloon walled city
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@samdman95 @alfred_twu and most people’s ideal density obviously falls far short of Kowloon so my argument is trivially true many people see Noah’s tweet and interpret it as not only an attack on their way of life but disingenuous only after reading several of those takes I made this thread
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@samdman95 @alfred_twu this is my way of defending density on the right by making an appeal to the “bitter pill” but whatever mfers gonna be angry if they wanna be angry
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@samdman95 @alfred_twu LA is a great example of how city popularity and land prices are created independent of density density is just the economic optimization of popular land
Let me tell you something. There's no nobility in a low follower count. I've been a lowbie, and I've been a niche internet microceleb. And I choose microceleb every f***ing time.
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@rmcwhorter99 I guess but scaling infinite robotic arms seems to require tech you spend time researching later
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@boop I’m amazed and somewhat disheartened
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@Mike_Hinton let’s say best case you’re successful and now there are people listening to your thoughts on the internet does this create the best incentives for you to use your time or is it a local minimum
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@moultano true attractive city begets sprawl sprawl begets central areas with high land prices high land prices begets density dense clusters of industry create new sources of attraction
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@shlevy @halvorz fr why are just poasting alpha. Me and my reading group have been working on this and they just ,, tweeted it out
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@halvorz wonder what happens if you design something that gets no close MSA matches
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@halvorz it’s gotta be an infinitesimal subset explored right?
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@halvorz but given eg path dependence I suppose only an infinitesimal subset will be interesting to biology
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name a more iconic duo than ML bio startups and kinase inhibitors
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@Plinz yeah it actually does peak bc you become the main character in bad ways
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@Plinz very very low context people start coming after you. discovering some of this every day. key is to maintain a low attack surface -- they people who straightforwardly tweet political stuff must be made of sturdier stuff than I
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@storebrandguy @Plinz my main hobby since the age of 14 has been documenting the various types of internet schizos and this would be antithetical to my goal. and i assume some of the blue checks are similar
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thesis: bugman antithesis: based synthesis: roon account
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kinda crazy that cells come with a TTL for replication
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@parafactual yeah but you actually build stuff which is quite non-bugman so. bugman with based characteristics
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Pick up the phone and start tweeting
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@jeroenvlek @CHRdollarsign I don’t get anywhere near bot like levels of precision I often leave replies unliked because I never saw them
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@powerbottomdad1 the blueprints are there but the key difference is the regeneration circuits may be nonexistent or harder to trigger
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@Noahpinion i will lose tech bro clout for this but people also never talk about how land intensive the exclusion zones have to be for storing depleted nuclear fuels surrounding a reactor
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@aniiyengar yeah basically extreme cope. I don’t respect any of these people because if you knew how to make a website in 1996 you should be rich by now
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@ghosttyped @aniiyengar <one generation ago voice>: wow microprocessors are so complicated now. I miss the days where you could buy 30,000 transistors and assemble a RISC chip in my garage
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@ghosttyped @aniiyengar bro you must be misremembering the blogspam of the mid 2000s. That was the heigh day of just linking from one page to the other and creating a pagerank black hole it’s an arms race and google seems to have won if anything
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@arctanno @aniiyengar not sure if I understand what he means why are ad driven apps simpler? what does he mean “until that happens” isn’t most of the internet adtech driven
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@TeddyRaccovelt I don’t think that’s a death knell or anything honestly
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@TeddyRaccovelt as long as they don’t fundamentally change the message and vibe (which they probably will)
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hmm
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daily prayer: this data shoveling is contributing to the technological progress of mankind
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@AshkenaziFugazi yeah seems like the exact wrong thing to do — why minimize variance on a startup, makes no sense
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daily prayer: interest rates can only go down and stonks can only go up
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@garybasin here’s a galaxy brain: cost of admission to top-25 is currently undervalued
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crypto enabled bounty hunters when. who will invent the Proof Of Death protocol
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@MorlockP I admire patrick collison very much I just enjoy this brand of trolling
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@MorlockP i deleted the op because it felt crass but let me say this: stripe has minted several billionaires and is incredibly high status in the valley. If I rag on them a bit, they can cry into their stacks of cash, unlike the ditch diggers
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@MorlockP it’s good to poke at people’s pretensions sometimes all work is noble but i don’t agree that it’s all equally noble
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people say they “love books” but then read only thousands of pages of lowest quality navelgazing introspection
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@cakotz this is exactly my point I’m a density shill and Noah trying to make rowhouses sexy is genuinely not helping
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@p_millerd like all time favorite books? the list will be embarrassingly full of SF&F
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@vgr gotta keep things spicy with my newest mutual 😊
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foundation is about the triumph of economics and the systematization of human behavior (rationalist) dune is about insane unpredictability of human ecologies and strong themes of darwinism (postrationalist)
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@noazark how is psychohistory hard scifi? how is the Mule being a psychic hard scifi? it is fantasy
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@PrinceVogel @ResonantPyre i think i'm just extremely male brained and the stuff he posts is male coded as opposed to most book accounts
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@seekingyaga ive read the first 3 books, honestly wish i stopped after the first few chapters. the best parts were the introduction on Trantor with hari seldon
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@seekingyaga not sure i can point to the technical detail of "why" because it's been quite a while since i read foundation i just recall the prose being far more boring, the characters uninteresting, the worlds dry and without flair
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· ↳ reply to @seekingyaga
@seekingyaga entirely possible but im quite good at visualizing! in fact i do memes all the time about rotating hypothetical shapes
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@eigenrobot something about it is quintessentially rationalist I’ve recently learned there’s multiple interpretations of it but like “Special / intelligent people are only free until they are called to help mankind”
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@eigenrobot the other interpretation is that being smart doesn’t matter because you end up committing genocide on accident
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i don’t believe adults have better emotional control than children. i think they feel things less strongly
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· ↳ reply to @tszzl
value network better trained leads to smaller advantage function (reward - expectation)
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@prnksbs the literal worst slum in all of India
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why would you do what amounts to a black box optimization by hand?
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@__femb0t I love it 🥰 tho I must admit I have long since cunsoomed every interview content this man has ever done and devoured the gwern archives
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@default_dad as people learn to calibrate their expectations better they will have fewer shocks and therefore fewer strong emotions
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thinking about starting a twitter war
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jihad*
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going to perform a memetic pincer movement
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@deepfates idk I didn’t block anyone after I became main character on housing twitter
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@deepfates they were really awful to me lol but idk felt more detached and sad than angry
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@deepfates yeah for ex idk how accounts like Noah smith can even get through the day poasting juicy red meat bait for 200k followers
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@deepfates lol idk I think on net I enjoy shouting and having people hear me than shouting into the void
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@storebrandguy @deepfates yeah i don’t care about name calling it’s just upsetting that they get so mad about some anodyne take enough for that sam deutsch guy to do a post by post analysis
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@deepfates Discord due to its nice features and extensive bot integrations
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· ↳ reply to @tszzl
@deepfates pretty much every crypto project now is started on a discord
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· ↳ reply to @tszzl
@lastcontrarian it’s a tough line to thread because most of the intellectual class coyly undervalue intelligence and talk about “epistemic trespassing” and stuff but there also genuinely a lot of people who overvalue intelligence and have unearned confidence
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@lastcontrarian in short smart people coming into a new field are high variance but low mean: smart outsiders create a large portion of the total number of groundbreaking breakthroughs but on average are extremely annoying
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was feeling existential dread today then it went away as soon as i drank my coffy
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@lastcontrarian agreed i think recommender systems are a fundamental breakthrough in knowledge sharing / epistemic trespassing because they bury low quality content and boost high quality content -- the trick is in selecting the quality measure
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@lastcontrarian especially a fan of sites like arxiv where the viewers have a floor of intelligence so the recommendations / organic behavior tends to be pretty decent
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rotating@home
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i don’t understand why people ascribe attention maximization to adtech profit motives when netflix is clearly there trying to autoplay the next episode and make their recsys better all the time. i mean hell even plex tries to autoplay and it’s a free product
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· ↳ reply to @tszzl
on the margin id prefer that someone spends some time scrolling twitter than deadeyed watching Netflix
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people claim that adtech erodes privacy but i would be shocked if Netflix doesn’t buy third party data to target their stuff better
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@credenzaclear lol i ask this often bc i wanna learn abt the housing market more than i want to be polite male trait
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· ↳ reply to @BlancheMinerva
@BlancheMinerva a story that essentially concludes that this technology is net positive and analogous to the invention of writing
@spakhm it’s mid both relatively and objectively
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the Neanderthals had larger orbital cortices, better vision, better fine motor control, but still lost to the high verbal iq Homo sapiens
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· ↳ reply to @tszzl
so Moravec’s paradox is basically fine
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· ↳ reply to @DanielleFong
@DanielleFong do we know this for a fact? I thought it’s up for debate between intermarriage hypothesis and violent domination hypothesis
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rahul and i are basically competing over the same pool of reply guys
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· ↳ reply to @boop
@boop ive monopolized the reply girls
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Tesla Dojo validated their efforts I just worry cerebras will never be able to write the requisite software to actually let people run stuff easily on this behemoth
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free advice to ML professors: dont take any phd students that can't parallel park. they cannot rotate shapes
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nobody knows how to make propaganda videos like the Chinese. I watched an Alibaba recruitment thing at neurips 2020 and i'm still reeling
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@nathanael_gould the most interesting DR twitter acct is zero hp and it’s not close he is the only one that doesn’t purposefully obfuscate and pull other kinds of charlatan tricks
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@nathanael_gould he did a thread on how the miracles described in the holy books pale in comparison to even the lightest touch of modern technology and this is why normal religions are not thriving in the current world; no other trad would think lucidly enough to admit this
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@halvorz Orson Scott card knew about this
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@halvorz honestly can’t even believe the meetings I’ve gotten because of this site
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are there any niche substacks of people doing highly technical industry reports and charging like $100/mo
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@ChrisCroy yeah i'm wondering why in the age where personal brand matters more than corporate brand such aggregations are still useful
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like @patio11 could clearly write a fintech column worth this much or more
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@alth0u @danluu latter for drug discovery like derek lowe does this at a high level
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the nyt audience overrates PhDs and my twitter circle underrates them
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they’re not all busy Manufacturing Consent. sometimes they invent pagerank
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how many mathematicians would commit self harm if it turned out P=NP
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@knrd_z imo studying a STEM PhD in a T-25 is higher EV than faang drudgery
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@sinecuris @lastcontrarian how much of this is a function of tesla being public and therefore subject to people airing its dirty laundry and playing up the FUD and such
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@sinecuris @lastcontrarian lol that sounds kinda bad but is it possible that it was the hotpath? eg the critical thing slowing down the line even few hours of delay could be worth millions in that case
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@MisterMarket_ well that’s not a real proof by contradiction then lol
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the physical world is just a 3d projection of google maps. when the engineers edit the maps the geography changes. whole cities have been created and destroyed just this past year
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@vgr i think of myself as a technologist who has to exert his will thru the drudgeries of programming sometimes
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when i was 6 i read an astronomy book and learned the sun will burn out and was highly distressed. the next day i asked my neighbor friend (10yo girl) what we're gonna do abt this catastrophe and she started bawling. this was the first time i scared the hoes
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but not the last
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@infinitsummer 5 years later after QE the best capitalized private tech co in the world should be offering above $300k
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“doesn’t matter what you say you’re not gonna convince me” that’s fine. im having a 100 pg ayn Rand protagonist soliloquy moment just enjoy sir
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I am the alpha in this relationship
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few understand that when elon said this he was talking about excess financial return above the risk free rate
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@BroductManager >tries for years to make a car >has a treasury larger than several countries in Europe >fails
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@jeff82874662 theres a real difference between punching up and punching down but we can obviously disagree abt whos up and whos down
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any medtech investors follow me
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indian american narrative is exceptional farming to silicon valley in 3 generations
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grants unshakeable confidence
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well not quite confidence but optimism
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