@AdsoOfBelk nah it’s just this clowny looking yet awesome thing where you stick 3 falcon 9 boosters together and launch it into space all at once. In kerbal it’s very similar, you just strut a bunch of boosters together to go to the moon
@VR_Cuttlefish the musculo skeletal coordination system literally takes all the credit for work all the other brain regions are doing. this injustice must end
@koaleszenz grass is always greener
manual workers wish they could be knowledge workers, knowledge workers wish they could work with their hands more often
none of that is contradictory at all imo & all it means is maybe there's a market for finding more diverse tasks via games
@Rationalbot@NotAHandleName you pay income tax on the value of shares granted to you at the time of grant and then you pay cap gains when you convert back to USD on however much capital increase there was since time of grant
@n55939491957681@Duderichy@alth0u most kaggle challenges these days are solved by throwing transformer at a new task and just doing a lot of drudgery (eg ensembling, data augmentation)
true the business value can be high but there's also a lot of people in the world with the skills to follow this procedure
jeff bezos building a shipping empire from scratch and then watching his ex wife literally light the money on fire by giving it to the seattle anarchist poets society or whatever
@powerbottomdad1 he prolly never smoked before that show and did it for a different type of public opinion clout lol, it's not that deep
it's not exactly subversive to smoke ganj anymore
@powerbottomdad1 the truth is elon really does need to be relatable and loved more than all the other billionaires. nothing wrong with that. it makes him entertaining
it's also way more cringe to have whatever meltdown this LA comedy writer is having
@BarneyFlames@powerbottomdad1 im sure they all rate at like 99.9% for openness to new experience, you basically have to if you're gonna go through the process of scaling a global company
@powerbottomdad1@BarneyFlames yeah these guys are all basically NPCs of the business world, it doesn't matter
i'm just comparing to other notable founders
@FlailingU agreed, mostly joking
the point here is framing it as "the planet is dying" is silly when the real situation is more like "humans would like to maintain climate homeostasis for convenience"
@moultano@FlailingU for sure, i am not looking forward to nonlinear CO2/methane events, nor do i want to wait the timescales needed for life to adapt to warmer climes
as usual the og tweet is a shitpost designed to enrage and maybe make ppl think a bit
@ctjlewis disagree that it's sociopathy, maybe a bit of narcissism
i think someone like musk looks at most issues and thinks "i could solve this problem better than everyone else / the experts" and sometimes they are spectacularly correct. sometimes they're wrong and it doesn't look good
@ctjlewis hmm i'm not sure why you say disregard for human life tho. iirc the people leading the rescue operation encouraged him to build the sub as a backup option -- it was never deployed, and it's not like he was forcing his way into the situation
@ctjlewis@lonemapleleaf not meant to be dismissive. plenty of times when i've heard and believed a news narrative and someone pills me on how the journos are manipulating the series of events this time around. sorry
@ctjlewis@lonemapleleaf he was building some high risk unconventional method *in case* the conventional methods failed
the diver called him an idiot for even trying and he got reasonably mad. what's unreasonable was forgetting the power of his platform and going off on an ambien rant about pedo guys
@lonemapleleaf@ctjlewis whether the thing works or not doesn't even matter imo
building a high risk backup (low % of working) as recommended by military isn't preventing the original divers from doing their work
@ctjlewis@lonemapleleaf the media was universally against elon in this case. not even sure where i can find Pro Elon Calling a guy a Pedo news sources tbh
@ctjlewis@lonemapleleaf you keep repeating this but it's just factually not true; it was always a backup device. you can check the receipts on this and the letter the military sent him. they were only going to use it if the rescue divers failed
@ctjlewis@lonemapleleaf >If it isn’t needed or won’t help, that would be great to know. Otherwise, it would be very helpful to have as much design direction as possible.
@lonemapleleaf@ctjlewis nah i seriously doubt he actually went and tried to use the sub at that point, he already torched his credibility and nobody would've given him sympathy even if it did work
@ctjlewis@lonemapleleaf he and his team are too competent to try and build things that have a nonzero chance of working how bout that
also consider that there were people inside spacex jumping at the chance to build this thing -- would they have if they thought it was a useless?
this is the first of the cognitive biases Yudkowsky discusses in his sequences (also about how far i got)
but i would say it's a psychological adaptation to let you happily set about on extremely difficult tasks
@krishnanrohit correct, but even and especially when you take the principled reasoning approach to work through the steps
you will definitely underestimate the sheer level of detail of the real world and the problems that will arise
@conorduffy_7 me in april 2020 saying "this will all be over in a month" with wild abandon
vs
nyt in april 2020 saying "this will all be over in 15 years" with their careful gantt chart
@Tyler_The_Wise@FlailingU it will make new parts of the planet suitable to agriculture
"not having to outmigrate all of bangladesh" is an important problem to avoid yes -- but it's "convenience" rather than "existential/ they will have nowhere to go"
@Tyler_The_Wise@FlailingU to be clear i'm not saying outmigration will be politically feasible
just physically possible
these are important distinctions in my eyes
@Tyler_The_Wise@FlailingU ok but the planet does not become fundamentally unsuitable for human life
new pastures will open where old ones dry up
the earth is not dying
it just means a ton of our current civilization will face upheaval
@haus_cole@juliagalef@panafunds also something about irrational optimism being socially optimal even if it's not individually optimal
if people signing up for the army expected the median outcome (dead, miserable, maimed) rather than the high outcome (war hero) then nobody would sign up at all
@haus_cole@juliagalef@panafunds and i realize the median outcome in a modern army isn't to end up dead lol. thinking more about some roman legionary or medieval peasant warrior
Being the kid of an ultrarich -> awful, too hard to fill daddy’s shoes, crippled by self loathing, not likely to do anything useful
Being the kid of upper middle class -> epic, full of potential, salivating for payoff space https://x.com/nikitabier/status/1386780544587886593
@sgodofsk@_AlastairX_ is it healthy in some clinical psych sense? idk lol
all i know is my parents raised me to be hungry and ambitious and it's too late for me to change that
btw the average technologist should absolutely not waste a single minute of their time beating their head on some kafkaesque tangle of incentives trying to change the system via political activism
@powerbottomdad1 > Waymo, once valued at nearly $200 billion only 18 months ago, has just been reevaluated at $30 billion.
lol
I think they realized the go to market strategy is anywhere from difficult to nonexistent
@rglpwx@AOCoomies yeah it would be a pretty significant company even without it but FSD puts it on a trajectory towards most valuable company in the world
@powerbottomdad1 yeah ive been on my cunsoomption shit again for like a week but im probably coming from a different place than eigen
i just thinking buying stuff you don't need is Not Good insofar as its wasting resources
@powerbottomdad1 he and I would probably disagree on eg pirating games or something. i think that's morally neutral at best. you're not conserving resources by not buying it, you're mostly just stealing
that being said i pirate shit all the time
@powerbottomdad1 but fr right there you can see that im cunsooming that man's or woman's time driving shit around when i coulda cooked something
it makes me feel slightly bad (clearly not bad enough to stop) but i think its important not to become nihilistic about that
@powerbottomdad1 our interaction is positive sum yes -- its not like i held the dude at gunpoint and said deliver me my mf tendies
but theres an opportunity cost to the man's time, it is real people going about doing your bidding
@powerbottomdad1 with the services industry its clear as day, but goods are also just people somewhere building our shit, not to mention cunsooming raw resources + putting carbon into the air
@powerbottomdad1 i will never become one of those climate ascetic freaks or anything but it's definitely more honorable to donate than get yourself a yacht
@powerbottomdad1 have you ever heard the broken windows argument?
it goes something like "why not just break every window in town. this will employ more window repairmen"
@powerbottomdad1 lmao its not a joke its that if your understanding of economics leads you to think that breaking windows all day is a productive activity, somethings fcked up with your understanding
@powerbottomdad1@Duderichy i think richard's on the right track but framing it a bit wrong
you can think about how like bitcoin mining and AI applications and gaming compete with each other for scarce resources (gpu)
if there were no bitcoin mining there would be more AI and gaming and vice versa
@powerbottomdad1@monodevice ok but anyway lol
the point here is that demand for demand's own sake is not a good thing in the long run
it may be good in the short run for fixing recessions and whatnot if you believe macroeconomics mumbo jumbo
@powerbottomdad1@monodevice we can break every window on earth and employ a lot of window repairmen but this is most certainly not a good thing
and if you believe that then you should believe why maybe redirecting resources to luxury stuff is not good always
@powerbottomdad1@Duderichy what you personally do, it's not worth calling the time wasted. that's your own life do what ya want buddy. what you make other people do with your spending habits or physical resources you take up feels a little different
@powerbottomdad1@Duderichy economy often seems like bullshit with GME stock prices and dogecoins and whatnot but i still mostly believe that at the bottom of it all is a real allocation of people's labor and scarce resources
@powerbottomdad1@Duderichy boss its just some basic lessons of econ lol
the fact that scarcities of labor and resources are real isnt arguable / special to effective altruist peoples
@DistractedAnna@Duderichy@powerbottomdad1 but like what if i order 10,000 coffees and throw them all out lol? am i not wasting peoples time and resources then? and is there a real fine line between dumping coffees out and buying tons of stuff i dont need that much
@powerbottomdad1@DistractedAnna@Duderichy i mean cmon lol
people individually throwing out their half drunken coffees is different than me throwing out 10,000 coffees
@powerbottomdad1@DistractedAnna@Duderichy yeah and you make a good point that we're basically postscarcity in terms of food in the US. we dont need to care about the coffee or salmon itself, like whatever
the time individuals put in to prepare my stuff is more important
@powerbottomdad1@DistractedAnna@Duderichy its definitely correlated right to the dollar value
like if i was at the buffet and made a huge mess and you had to work OT to clean it up, that would be more "gluttonous" than dumping out gallons of nearly worthless coffee
@antirobust@powerbottomdad1@DistractedAnna@Duderichy i mean that stuff may be important to you but i'm hoping to make a more broadly accessible point
resources saved won't necessarily go towards moon colonies
the more basic thing is just "stuff is still scarce lol"
putting ppl on the moon doesn't make any logical sense from the typical utilitarian sense of charity and economy. notwithstanding some copes abt how velcro was invented in the process or smthng
but you do it anyway for Glory, because this is a far better thing to maximize
not withstanding all my ranting about cunsoomption, i don't want people to think i'm some sort of strict utilitarian. spending is good in service of glory
if making a lot of money and buying yourself McLaren and totalling it just for the joy of it is Glory, then so be it
i just dont think folks should forget that resources are real
@_AlastairX_@nolemonnomelon true but "better mattress equals better sleep" doesn't follow from "sleep is important"
i think what eigen is saying here is that it didn't matter at all for him
@eigenrobot idk i mean religions mostly are not super nice to their outgroups
christianity didn't get to 2 billion adherents if Jesus didn't come with a sword
@eigenrobot i would argue (and this may be cringepilled) that it comes out of the liberal synthesis of Anglo-mercantile culture that sees the outgroup as a thing to be traded with
@eigenrobot i read a great thread on here that said something like there has been a low-grade ethnic war in the US at all times between cabals of business interests that are mostly divided along racial lines. and this ethnic war has been instrumental in preventing more serious conflict
@eigenrobot how much of the breakdown do you think we can attribute to the internet generally? newfound anarchic war for allegiance that moves at lightspeed
i think the % is high but you're older than I am, probably have a different perspective on when these troubles started
@Algorithmexist@eigenrobot definitely
i'm biased of course as a technologist by trade and a rabidly Online person but i can't help but feel most things boil down to this
@_AlastairX_ i would say note taking becomes so much more important in real world open-ended challenges like research
where you haven't (can't) yet integrate all the information, and some experiment result may be important weeks later for you to compare with
@_AlastairX_ school is designed to teach these fun toy problems that are conceptually elegant
you remember only a handful of principles and procedures and go from there
@_AlastairX_ moreover we've come to a time when the lecturers will upload whole powerpoints of their materials. why bother taking notes of my own? that's probably the most important thing really
@ctjlewis@gbrl_dick I think there may be some good logical separations between what gets run locally and what runs far away where it concerns the browser
@ctjlewis@gbrl_dick rn i use a cloud gaming subscription, which is actually just an all purpose remote desktop
i could definitely use it to browse chrome or something but that's one step too complicated for most users
@ctjlewis@gbrl_dick what i don't actually know is how this reaches profitability & who is price insensitive enough to pay a monthly subscription for a browser but too price sensitive to just get a fatter laptop
its amazing how quickly the dropoff in fame is in the business world vs other areas
i can name a lot of very minor actors or scientists or journos but can only name like a few extremely well known CEOs and practically nobody that works under them
@n55939491957681 Do not be amazed when a man grows rich, when the splendor of his house increases. For when he dies, he will carry nothing away; his abundance will not follow him down.
@ctjlewis not even about failing businesspeople tho. like could you name the CFO of amazon or something? some of their VPs? these are highly successful people who, if they joined early, are worth in the 100s of millions or billions
but nobody knows about them except the immediate circle
@okarthik42@n55939491957681 yeah exactly
if Mars colony becomes true Elon will be remembered for a 1000 years
whereas bezos is just a guy with a modern day merchant fleet.
@MegaBasedChad@EuroHegemonist he actually built Git in the process of trying to build a Linux collaboration
like Newton inventing calculus to solve physics
@krishnanrohit@LudditeHacker yeah, good educators are not always good scientists and vice versa. this is painfully true at big universities. that being said i don't think folks like Michio Kaku are particularly good at education either. they fulfill a more priest like role than educator
@halvorz yeah kind of hard to tell who is a celebrity in my eyes vs genpop
I mean Heisenberg has to be a household name right? because of breaking bad at least
@halvorz at least among my "tribe" of like low grade humanism that pervades most internet culture many of the early century physicists are household names at least
schrodinger for his cat, oppenheimer for his famous line, Heisenberg, Tesla, Planck, Fermi, etc
one thing that's wild is that there are otherwise little known people on here whose works and projects have functionally achieved immortality lol
Roko's Basilisk is world famous (in some niches), directly led to elon meeting grimes, and will continue to be a meme in AI research
@WilliamGrobman@leominkus@nickcammarata yeah the focus is usually on the Culture's external dealings and the places where they have to be illiberal to ensure the spread of liberalism but also it seems to deeply grasp the loss of meaning in liberal societies where everything is for fun and nothing "matters"
positive version of roko's basilisk
the AI will scrape google scholar and only torture those who made an impact above a certain h-score on "ML ethics" :)
@wannabegroncho apparently elon thought of an extremely niche joke eg "rococo's basilisk", googled it, found that grimes had already tweeted that and the rest is history
@wannabegroncho inside LW community, it has reached 100% saturation, pretty popular on reddit, and a number of mainstream writers on Vice and Slate have covered it as well
@mariani_jr it makes perfect sense
energy isn't the only limited resource in the world -- there are many and price is directly proportional to how much you're consuming
@mariani_jr money is a distributed ledger for the allocation of natural resources, labor, and energy
high cost items correspond to high usage of all the above
@mariani_jr of course there's an unpriced externality in carbon sink capacity -- it effects bitcoin and almost everything else we consume, including the production and supply chains of macbooks etc
@devarbol you know i thought about it more and same
gives me a new perspective on darwinism. growth is everything. conversion is everything. functions that don't immediately contribute to growth die
@notlinear1 yeah, and a bunch of like extremely niche derivative metrics of this
makes me sad to see folks with non software businesses trying to fit into this template lol
yeah haha i definitely have something new and cool to talk about im definitely not still working on the same project i have been for the last 3 weeks haha https://t.co/X9TGdpvTZ1
@_AlastairX_ you're my favorite account because you've invented a friendly euphemism ("generative") as a stand in for "being online 10 hours a day and getting schizopilled"
@halvorz@wannabegroncho these replies are funny bc half are outraged that he never spent a dime and the other half are outraged that he never revealed himself
personally i completely understand (1) and have no understanding of (2)
@wannabegroncho@halvorz there is some value to leaving the initial block untouched you know. gives the whole thing the kind of spookiness/weight that a matter like Money requires
@wannabegroncho@halvorz also I’m actually quite unsure if he could liquidate enough Bitcoin in his lifetime to fund a major research venture or something. It’s even harder than stocks
@alth0u when I was 12 I told a (true) story on fb about some weird asf, kind of aggressive thing one of my classmates did
few days later his DAD shows up at my door asking me to take it down
if there’s 1 thing I’ll miss about the 2010s it’s the period where prince Muhammad bin salman was letting me uber all the way across San Francisco for $5
@ctjlewis@audereesfacere the Chinese are doing far worse than assassinating journalists. And we accept money straight from ccp coffers via tencent and other state backed enterprises
@ctjlewis@audereesfacere that’s my conclusion as well so at this point it’s like — why would we take money from the brutal regime that’s a major geopolitical enemy vs we don’t take money from the brutal regime who’s our geopolitical ally
@ctjlewis@audereesfacere frankly I wouldn’t fault anyone for taking money from either country, though I’d prefer they didn’t
just pray that your company provides more value to the world than it removes by emboldening Saudi shareholders
@eigenrobot@shlevy idk this is not really inflation in any traditional sense
maybe eg driving up home prices now results in higher rents later but that’s also questionable
@Hellachans FAA Order 1320.46C section 10 (Using references in the text of an AC) para. h explains "Do not use the acronym "FAR" to refer to FAA's regulations. Neither the Department of Transportation nor the Office of the Federal Register allow us to use "FAR" for our regulations.
@Hellachans what do you know about the aircraft certification process tho
what are the development cycles like? are you allowed to ship any changes unapproved & how long does it take for them to approve stuff
@AlecStapp@elidourado are the transaction costs really high when compared to gold? now you can say “well most people transfer certificates of gold rather than actual metals”
but then the answer is in front of you — most people will buy and sell tokens that represent a share of some BTC reserve
@AlecStapp@elidourado yeah sure security is limited by demand — but without real world parameters governing this relationship I don’t see how this is a hard blocker
@BretHeilig@AlecStapp@elidourado Yeah it requires you to federate trust either to a vendor or another less expensive blockchain
not all dollar transactions can happen straight through Fedwire but that doesn’t devalue the greenback or the trust in it
@BretHeilig@AlecStapp@elidourado this is possibly silly yes because you’ve just moved the trust problem elsewhere but the brand value of Bitcoin is enough to keep it going imo
@bowserbot2@gigafelon oh actually I only read 1+2
I love the post cyberpunk shit. like maybe we can have cool CP aesthetics and the characters can also crack an actual joke once in a while
@gigafelon I mean the grift is so easy lol
just rag on a bunch of slightly uncharismatic folks who hold a bunch of power
waaaay simpler than presenting an alternative better vision for the future + will easily get you to 30k followers
@powerbottomdad1 thinking about the fortune she's giving away to random seattle leftist associations without much vetting and scheming how to get some of dat
@jeff82874662 imagine looking at the country with 25+ actively spoken languages, extreme regionalism, zero history of deference to one central government, and being like yes this would’ve been better as a dictatorship