@cosmicoptima the fact that we even have to explicitly wonder about the postrats' "alignment" (most people will shove it in your face) means they've already won!
the year is 20XX. $GME is undergoing its 927th pump cycle. Bloomberg News calls one of the descendants of the ancient sage DeepFuckingValue on air to explain what’s going on
this is the fundamental benefit of the Newtonian approach wherein he believed every mechanism of the universe is a cryptogram sent by god for him to solve
in the early industrial age people thought of their brains as functioning like "clockwork". then the metaphor became computer software. now i can only imagine it as a series of embedding spaces and transformations
@cauchyfriend@Levi7hart yeah, a nice ML problem space is usually one where you can (1) get rapid feedback from the environment, (2) build a reasonable simulation, or (3) have a challenging, large, and diverse dataset prebuilt from human labelers (rare)
@cauchyfriend@Levi7hart in the tech industry you generally log every user interaction that ever happens so you can get this real time feedback from the environment on basically any challenge
but in cases like econometrics you will definitely have to rely on smarter statistical modeling
historically very bad bet that your age's metaphor is correct but i'll take the odds
yeah spike trains are different than continuous vector math but i'll bet they're dual somehow
@selentelechia i remember i read somewhere that herbert kept bringing idaho back because he was a fan favorite
not sure if this is true (nor why the fans loved him lol)
@FrankMe123 yeah he accidentally stumbles through all the steps that construct a galaxy spanning cult around him
u can still read it as instruction manual lol
nerds love the Prediction Market because it allows them to finally incorporate whatever far-off thing they're obsessed with (generally elections) into their decision loop
@AnKolTakes the lowest common denominator example of info feeds outside our decision loop that we think are important & relevant but are actually just entertainment
most of Stripe's market valuation can be attributed to patrick collison being the only eloquent tech CEO in the world and looking sort of like augustus caesar. prove me wrong
@tweetsbenedict@sonyasupposedly that's why there's usually two stages
1) the resume screen, which by its nature filters out everyone not conscientious enough to look good on paper
and
2) the psuedo IQ test whiteboarding
@ReplyGuy_3@phillippepayant@eigenrobot yeah i have some doubts but i'm willing to be plied by the gdp growth figures
its possible i'm overweighting the impact of transistors, atomics, etc against like heavy industry, railroads, steel
@Duderichy this is basically a highway only auto-follow feature
its more impressive to provide L2 for many cases than L3 for some small subset of cases
@BarneyFlames you could possibly prove it in some smaller subset or edge case (eg city driving only) and use that as leverage with the regulators for more aggressive rollout and testing
but yeah thats a good point
@powerbottomdad1@NateTheSpy@Duderichy being conservative because i really don't know what else they'll have to do to actually convert the thing into a taxi
@NateTheSpy@Duderichy if you are selling brand new technology the date will be uncertain by its nature
im not sure why people get mad when someone promises impossible world-changing things but then delivers on it 18 months late or something
@Duderichy@NateTheSpy i think every tesla buyer knows very well that this is not coming instantly and that they're investing into future tech
just like pre-ordering a cybertruck lol. 100% of people know the date is tongue in cheek musk timeline
@edavidds waymo decided that creating self driving cars is the hard part rather than making it run on commodity hardware
wrong bet
despite having all that great software they will launch later than tesla and will require expensive augmentation
@Duderichy@NateTheSpy their ridiculous boyscout optimism that drives analysts insane is also the secret of their success
but this has all been litigated 100 times. not interesting anymore
@allaboutchemist@rglpwx that's what the current study does but i don't think it's a great analysis
if the nursing home is about to go belly up and the PE firm optimizes it in a way that it's no longer on the verge of death
you can't really argue that they made patient outcomes worse
@polisisti@trevorjtweets i don't have the econometrics expertise either but i'm generally skeptical of trying to control for variables this deeply embedded in the problem
there may be whole dimensions the authors are missing
sort of confusing because wasn't the google DoD project backed by top brass but killed by rank and file? this some insane false flag shit or just wrong?
@garybasin in fact Google and Facebook benefit zero from the chinese markets and have completed ceded them
at best they recruit a lot of chinese immigrants
@PalmerLuckey interesting
so is this at the venture capital level? VCs need to maintain good relations with CCP & chinese investors to join their funding rounds etc?
love how The Social Network is basically eduardo saverin's personal telling of the founding story and he still doesn't come off as a good protagonist lmao
@aniiyengar real talk its amazing that you can hand over so much of the company to someone who is actively malicious like this and then not only succeed but also create one of the greatest money machines of all time
@aniiyengar pmarca, sam altman etc: make sure you know your cofounder for a DECADE before starting anything with them
zuck: literally picks the most toxic guy in his dorm with the largest checkbook and just ends up winning
@GuilleAngeris true and i've seen some videos of it performing very poorly in more ambiguous city driving conditions
feels like suburb + highway in good weather conditions is more or less solved but once the car has to reason about N+ objects it starts breaking down
@GuilleAngeris I actually think it'll be fine
perception is difficult and imo control is not as bad
if they get more data reasoning about lots of moving objects i'm sure it'll be ok. after all the video game bots happily reason about 100s of objects and their complex interactions
@selentelechia hmm lot of things starting to make sense to me
my dad and i would get into fights abt how much effort & perfectionism he put into filing paperwork and made everyone else put in
@alth0u@lalaAlicelala also a lot of people have some utopian notion where if they can legalize sex work they can de jure make it acceptable and bourgeois this way
but if you stop lying to urself there is literally no change that will destigmatize sex work
@postpostpostr@alth0u@lalaAlicelala underlying all culture is biology and biology rarely changes
the incas kept their prostitutes in a special district away from the rest of society before having any contact with eurasian "norms"
@sf_tech_bro@eigenrobot the weather in san francisco is basically the same all year and way less variable than new york
the blackpill is that corporate wear is the final fashion statement
@finnonthegin@gbrl_dick this may be cringe but honestly i was thinking of a written conversation
a la direct message or twitter thread. subjects you to the rigors of writing clearly to a large audience but also immediately subject to question
@michaelcurzi yea when you stop listening even briefly and come back to it it hits way different
even returning to some genre after a while can have this effect
hypernormal stimuli and all that
@michaelcurzi when i quit twitter for a while and come back it honestly makes me cackle out loud all day for like a day
u can build a tolerance on literally anything lol
@MegaBasedChad they may have some kind of brand / trustworthiness moat but it's hard to say
there are so many scam exchanges in crypto & coinbase is at this point the only recognized and trusted brand
i don't think we even solved how to deal with the effects of tv as a communication technology before the internet came out and it'll only get faster from here
@devarbol marx is extremely compelling when you replace every mention of bourgeoisie with "technocapital optimization monster"
and yeah the war has been lost
someone from aerospace pill me on this. are bigger rockets always better? are payload:rocket mass ratio improvements offset by operational difficulty or smthng
@mazuretsky@mister_thrash but there's also fixed costs yeah? like eg onboard avionics are fixed mass and don't really need to get bigger on bigger rockets
so larger rockets will benefit from using less % mass to orbit just for rocket parts
@valueless_user can one big rocket deliver lots of smaller satellites to space? or are there logistical issues with delivering them to separate orbital planes and whatnot
@tim_ber_wind how much of this can be amortized
eg if you solve the difficult high performance engine once are you basically done
can you design special vehicles to pump enormous amounts of methane and use them from there on out
@tim_ber_wind or is it like we forever have to have whole teams of engineers worrying about new ways the high performance engines can break and how to improve them etc
@turrible_tao just realized how every graph like this basically has to account for the effects of the cataclysmic introduction of smart phones, greatest financial crisis in like 80 years, and a new president all in the span of '07-'08
CEOs of big tech companies: You almost certainly have ppl with a parasocial relationship to the British guy on Headspace as employees. What are you going to do about it?
the value add of meditation apps is that most people are actually too afraid to be alone with their thoughts so we need the british guy whispering sweet nothings in our ear
@R1Jack@telmudic it’s all a spectrum but the blockchain ppl are def the most car salesman
and it really differs from AI theory to like “deep learning”. The former (who are getting rarer) are p autist and the latter are not really
@R1Jack@telmudic I’d wager the majority of professors these days hit the high performing frat bro archetype more than like absent minded Einstein. It’s a super high maintenance job and requires a lot of executive function
third rate noname public health grads: PhD in twitter name, demand that ppl call them doctor online at all times
actual professors at top schools: cartoon toaster avi, shitposting with alarming speed & skill,
i wouldn’t be surprised if the way the neocortex structures abstractions descends directly from reasoning about places relative to each other on a coordinate grid and navigation between them
@eigenrobot damn i had forgotten people were coping this hard even at the end of march
i thought this was a jan-feb phenomenon (but i guess back then covid was racist)
@ellegist one interesting thing is that its the same inclination but from different sides of the "aisle" to obsess over IQ vs want to self diagnose with ADHD or something
@roddur_dasgupta tbf, billions of dollars of investment have been poured into crypto, but there are things earlier in the pipeline that are of greater concern here
@cutiepiebrowng@AgainstGop@terfdavidicke this is a ridiculous standard lol
if i've ever drank i can't comment on alcoholism?
bronson had a theory on societal trends and fleshed it out is all
@cutiepiebrowng@AgainstGop@terfdavidicke ya that's fair but i didn't think this thread was an exhortation or a call to action
i read this in a completely value-neutral way but perhaps i lack the context
nobody has worse vibes on here than the accounts with tens of thousands of followers but zero interaction. you might as well get fitted for a leper bell
@aniiyengar she blocked me a while back but
nobody gets into this trade wanting to go build webapps. everybody is out here dreaming of launching rockets or building intelligent machines or whatever high concept scifi bullshit
you end up building webapps bc its profitable
@n55939491957681 sorry yeah to revise:
tech ppl of any role are more rewarded for their skill as investor than anything else
equity packages are not common outside of tech
@The_Geraldoid i think somewhere between 2k-5k is perfect for good engagement, you get a medium number of high effort replies, great convos, no stalkers or parasocial relationships
past that and shit starts getting weird
@GuilleAngeris just watching some random videos on youtube. i love him
most scicomm types tend to be hacks who are better at communicating than science but he's an actual genius
@diviacaroline i feel people way under estimate the amount of stuff that is hardcoded, just by seeing the amount of time and data it takes for AI vision models to master perception, vs how easily we do it
the trick is that we've done it over and over in every lifetime for generations
@diviacaroline tl;dr if an organism learns a behavior and this behavior is helpful to their fitness, it becomes easier to learn such behavior in subsequent generations via evolution
in the limit, this behavior becomes hard coded
china bulls
explain right fucking now how they will mitigate impending demographic collapse when their capability for recruiting skilled immigrants is nearly zero
@BarneyFlames hmm big if true
nonetheless the demographic collapse im referring to here is the one that comes in all modernizing countries, with an initial boost in working age pop, and then an inversion with falling birth rates
@BarneyFlames the impact would be generational and already "baked in"
the new policy of the 2010-2020s wont be observed for another 20-30 years when these people come to prime working age
moreover i think it's harder to increase fertility via policy levers than decrease
@errfreshener in classical economics, automation increases the productivity of labor and makes it even more valuable
i'm not sure to what degree I believe this in the strong AI world but it's at least an open question
@errfreshener not to mention even if you automate the easiest and most rote tasks you still need high skill immigrants to build the future technologies that let you stay ahead of other countries
@AdsAmateur right the ideal case is where the native pop just keeps expanding homogeneously along with its high skill ppl having a lot of kids
but this doesnt happen anywhere else on earth -- developed countries experience massive drops in fertility rate and have to cope w immigration
@TheAgeofShoddy@eigenrobot elder care isn't just about manpower
just the sheer medical cost alone of an aging population means rising tax rates to fund the Chinese equivalent of Medicare etc
@3Sentinel4 in the era where human capital is the most important kind, i'm uncertain this kind of imperialism will do the trick -- the most mobile (usually most talented) portion of taiwanese pop will just flee the country
"natalist policy" is a cope
everywhere it's been tried the effect is like pissing in the wind
there's a worldwide secular trend toward two income households with lower TFR and this won't stop due to teensy incentive programs https://x.com/devarbol/status/1375909010617077772
@finnonthegin@mbwheats japan was once a power that threatened to overtake most american industries but now is relegated to being a sad aging country whose main export is anime
not a bright future
@DistractedAnna i think this actually just doesnt scale at all seeing as how richer families tend to have fewer kids
maybe if you made everyone poorer theyd have more kids 😃
@_AlastairX_ even assuming this is feasible / assumptions about xenoestrogens are correct, is TFR dropping due to lower sex drive or broader cultural trends?
@_AlastairX_ it may be a viable point, if it weren't clear that the West's declining T-levels are due to the obesity epidemic. It's not present at all in East Asia, yet SKorea and Japan have bottom of the barrel TFRs
@BarneyFlames isn't this due to the large orthodox community mostly?
but people who are a member of the "worldwide" monoculture of secular liberal values are the ones who are leading these trends
@OSmicard secular here refers to the economic definition eg "persisting over a long or indefinite term", however the other definition may be apt as well
@_AlastairX_@VivaLaPanda_ while i personally love the mormons I think the out-conversion rate may catch up to TFR as it has in most other religious groups
the pull of secularism is strong
@4thClassOfficer@TheAgeofShoddy@eigenrobot it's much easier to a pull a GLF on a nation of peasant farmers under the extreme poverty line rather than a modern high human capital population
@VivaLaPanda_@_AlastairX_ the internet has vastly increased the size and power of subcultures already tbh
you could argue that trumpism started as a form of online subculture
@VivaLaPanda_@_AlastairX_ r/WSB is one of the latest phenomena of purely online subcultures creating real world effects
cultural evolution is accelerating insanely fast
@VivaLaPanda_@_AlastairX_ so like how long will "wokism" last under constant assault from all sides? who knows
definitely will be longer if the big platforms enshrine this ideology in their code of conduct
@VivaLaPanda_@_AlastairX_ I think the way to interpret it is the same as "virality" of internet memes
"in the future everyone will be famous for 15 minutes"
today's dominant culture will have its moment in the sun extremely briefly (yet powerfully) but very soon give rise to something else
@_AlastairX_@VivaLaPanda_ i would argue that this particular morality hadn't even started in full force til the birth of tumblr and somewhat the BLM movement
the broader trend of Whig history universalism has been around for 100s of years
@jachaseyoung@eigenrobot the pinker argument goes that the most valuable forms of modern labor are not easily coerced and that human capital easily flees
are you really gonna chain someone to their laptop?
@pee_zombie@mattparlmer@TheAgeofShoddy the complete devotion to the technocapital religion and the rigors of the free market seem to be a hallmark of American society, moreso than any other country
@ded_ruckus so what would you like to try?
you can't be implementing things that defeat the purpose of liberal societies like outlawing birth control or something
best you can do here is nudges
thinking about how my grandparents & great grandparents lived in their villages when i was younger
they would get done with their work for the day and then just sit on their porch as a family
hollering at the passersby (they knew all of them, whether friends or enemies)
extremely Lindy
thats just how people lived for thousands of years
i had some simulacrum of this in college for a bit but now it seems twitter is my village
@VivaLaPanda_@_AlastairX_ Malthusianism is the truth and the industrial revolution is the blip, the dreamtime
it will all come back as soon as death rate goes to zero & physical cost of reproduction goes down
or alternatively as @robinhanson has noted when we become an Em society
@_AlastairX_@VivaLaPanda_@robinhanson i very much doubt this only because materials science & surgical techniques progress a lot slower than Moore's law
getting a deep look at the brain is very hard
@_AlastairX_@VivaLaPanda_@robinhanson I think the age of neural nets represents a qualitative change from the 80s -- we have models whose data scaling is unbounded, which is a new phenomenon
of course I don't doubt that we will continue to pull many inspirations from the human brain
@nicholatian lmao
2 me mogging is like asserting dominance over someone but usually on something silly
like maybe you come by someone with an impressively masculine chin and say "that guy chin mogged me"
doesnt need 2 make any sense
@panafunds for example, performance will empirically get better and better as you add more trees to a forest boosting algorithm
similarly neural nets typically get "smarter" with depth and width
it's just an empirical result, which this paper amends
@lonemapleleaf@leaacta lmao
twitter is just an extension of internal voice, like a robotic suit of armor. mostly i 1:1 type up tweets exactly as i think of them
@visakanv@TeddyRaccovelt@amirism_ I mean ok if you want to reduce all human cognition to decision making I agree I guess
but it’s the wrong level of abstraction from what we’re discussing
@TeddyRaccovelt@sonyasupposedly yeah i agree here, and would like to add a bit more
this is the kind of Talebian argument of ascribing intelligence to anyone who is outwardly successful (eg made a lot of money) because in his view there are a lot of stupid academics who are just circle jerking each other
@TeddyRaccovelt@sonyasupposedly however i'd like to think that there are higher truths than making a lot of money / winning a lot of clout (and you can all feel free to disagree with me here)
and one of those things imo is decoding the machinery of Creation
@TeddyRaccovelt@sonyasupposedly or in rationalist terms, the World Model
its abundantly clear from that video that elon comes in as an engineering genius with a deep subject matter grasp of all things tech related and jack ma comes in and says "i'm not a tech guy" and then shitposts for the rest of the convo
@TeddyRaccovelt@sonyasupposedly i'm sure jack ma has much better business instincts than I ever will and is really great at commerce (i will also allow that perhaps he got lucky) but he's clearly ignorant on several technical topics that they're discussing in that video
@TeddyRaccovelt@sonyasupposedly moreover somewhat separately from what teddy's talking about being "good at decision making" doesn't really mean much
for example AlphaGo is a much better decision maker than me where it concerns the game of Go and probably a lot worse in nearly everything else
@TeddyRaccovelt@sonyasupposedly i wouldn't trust Kanye to run spacex and similarly elon's soundcloud is terrible
ergo "good at decision making" is not a meaningful description
@TeddyRaccovelt@sonyasupposedly we can get into IQ or whatever but it's not really needed
at a gut level what i can tell from that convo is that elon knows what's going on with AI/ML and that jack either doesn't or is trolling
@TeddyRaccovelt@sonyasupposedly and a higher order of business than all of this is that you shouldn't just call ppl the "chattering classes" because they made some off hand comment that jack ma sounded dumb lmfao
it seems like what i said made visa unduly angry
@KHicksEfficient Marx describes an extremely terrifying paperclip optimizer, bulldozing over traditions & cultures everywhere it goes, commodifying the nature and meaning of work, and then makes the silly mistake of thinking some group of rich people either wanted or predicted this
@Interrobang_2 right bc i guess like 30% the mass is producing all the thermal energy and the other 70% just acts as a heatsink
but even still the 100x figure is crazy
@AlfredDolan1 where is House Bezos then bucko, with a treasure horde of various important cultural artifacts in the history of the shipping business, and the 3rd floor is just dedicated to antique boats from the old French merchant fleet